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Three Perspectives on Pine Avenue Vacancies - Part 2: The Councilmember

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Vice Mayor Suja Lowenthal announcing a new parking mobile app earlier this year.
 
11:00am | Vice-Mayor Suja Lowenthal is also known as 2nd District Councilmember Suja Lowenthal, and so southern Pine Avenue is both her boon and bane. As such, she seemed like an obvious person to speak with to find out what's up, what's down, and what's to look for.

What you won't see, Lowenthal says, is the City taking all comers so as to fill the vacancies for the sake of filling them. Rather, the City will continue to be selective about what types of business it lets set up shop on such a prominent facet of Long Beach.

"If you approach it with [an attitude of], 'We'll just take anything,' there won't be a vacancy rate necessarily," she says. "On a critical street such as Pine Avenue … you do have to be selective where you can."

As a specific example, Lowenthal shares that years ago a Hustler company (as in Larry Flynt) desired to open a retail store on Pine, but that both the property owner and the City felt it was not a good fit. But sometimes the lack of fit is more mundane.

"You'll have commercial brokers who represent retail that will bring any available tenant to a private-property owner, and that property owner may decide that tenant's not a good fit for their building," she says. "Or, in conjunction with whatever modifications have to happen to that particular site that requires any approval, the City might look at it and say, 'You know, that's probably not the right fit, given all the tenants that are there right now.' … I know some property owners are upset with us, because there are Hustler-type corporations where they can probably get more than market value. But is that really what's best for the residents who we are encouraging to come live there? Because we're creating a neighborhood, too. It isn't, 'The highest bidder matters'; it's, 'What's right for that neighborhood?'"

A similar consideration is whether a tenant will contribute to the vibrancy of downtown — and retail businesses that close at 5 p.m. really don't, particularly if located at a prominent spot like a corner.

"That particular property owner may meet his or her need — they can lease that space, get market value," she says. "Because it pays the same whether the tenant is open seven hours a day or 24 hours a day. But for that neighborhood or that street it doesn't pay the same. That's a complication."

Another complication is the sheer multifariousness of Pine Avenue players. "[That] there are so many [property] owners involved, with different mindsets and expectations and lease rates and brokers … presents a challenge," she says.

Lowenthal also points to a challenge Pine Avenue is facing from a nearby strip of real estate: the Promenade, which she labels "the hottest space in downtown right now. …  I think Pine Avenue is a tougher spot right now than the Promenade. … The Promenade may be in a position of first right of refusal. … Pine may be getting the second look right now, given how the Promenade is serving as a destination. And certainly new customers who are coming to Pine are kind of leaning toward the Promenade because of what's already there. You know, it's new, it's fresh."

But back to Pine, what can the City do?

"The City can focus on public infrastructure and the plan-approval process," she says. "And with the development of residential units, we can make the downtown denser and more attractive to owners and brokers. I know that residents themselves feel that the City has a greater role in retail recruitment [than it actually does]. … We do participate on all levels, but public infrastructure, streamlining plan-approval process, and fostering population density is what we can really do."

And what grade does she give the City on that doing? B to B-, she says, though she's quick to qualify it with the notion that the macro - and microeconomic problems affecting Long Beach have limited what the City can bring to bear on the vacancy problem.

"We don't have all of what we need," she says. "Resources have been decimated. … We don't have an Economic Development Department anymore; there are people who have had to incorporate that into their jobs. … When Robert Swayze [viz., the former director of Economic Development] left, that position was closed."

But Lowenthal points out that the City has done plenty. "Many of those property owners [on Pine Avenue] have had many, many rounds of assistance, public assistance," she says. "The public has gone in to help with subsidies. In the 20-plus-year history of that street, a good chunk of the units' buildings have had public assistance. "

As an example she points to Z Gallerie, to which the City gave a 10-year, interest-free loan. "And then right after the 10 years was up, surprise surprise: they had no obligation to stay, and they didn't."

In the end, Lowenthal says, we live in a free market, and to some degree the market must sort itself out. "You can't have a free-market society and then say the City has to come in and subsidize everything," she says. "People say the City should do something. But there's a cost to that. … When you say, 'The city should…,' you've got to have an equal sign with a dollar amount after it. … You know, we kind of want to be careful with how much we want the City to get involved, because really, the real involvement that a lot of business owners are requesting is a subsidy, assistance in actual dollars. And these are not dollars we have right now."

On the upside, Lowenthal is very enthusiastic about the prospect of having the Port Administration building — and its 400 employees — on this side of town. "That one singular decision will have a positive impact on downtown," she says.

So, too, will the recently-completed "land swap" deal that allows for a greater variety of businesses (read: retail) at the Pike.

"There have been vacancies [at the Pike] not because people weren't willing to lease the space, [but because] it had conditions on it regarding what types of use can be allowed," she explains, referring to the State Lands Commission's tidelands restrictions that were in place prior to the swap.

Lowenthal points out that the land swap was the product of several years' work by the City — the kind of thing that's less visible at street level than the empty storefronts. "Those are the things that are ongoing that are hard to see or recognize the value of, because it's not immediate," she says. "But I think [the land swap] will almost immediately start reducing the vacancy rate at the Pike."

As will, she believes, the path the City is following in its efforts to foster Pine Avenue's health and maturation.

Helping to chart that path is the Downtown Long Beach Associates. Read what they have to say tomorrow.

Click here for part one: Three Perspectives on Pine Avenue Vacancies — Part 1: The Brokers
 
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Archived Comments (35)
Paul
The, "Vision" New York City. The reality might be like Oakland. As one Councilperson is fond of saying, "Be careful about what you wish for."
Laissez Faire
How about, instead of the city "doing something", the city does LESS, and let the market sort itself out. And by LESS, I mean, less restrictions on businesses, less zealous parking enforcement, less hassle with the business licensing process, and LESS silly proposals like Suja's genius idea to silence the music on Pine.
Flippity-Flop
So, less than a month ago, Mr. Moore wrote a very telling piece about Suja's issues with the music on Pine:
http://www.lbpost.com/news/greggorymoore/12581

And now she's talking like she's pro-business?

Suja: You can't have your lively, bustling entertainment district and eat your quiet, quaint neighborhood, too.
Dave in Alamitos Beach
I had to really grit my teeth when reading this one. On the one hand, Suja says that we all have to sit back and let the market decide who goes in at Pine, the Pike, etc., yet on the other hand she says that the City gets to say no to businesses that "aren't the right fit" or close too early. It sounds like the worst of both worlds - letting unfettered capitalism rule, unless it's unattractive or messy. Sigh. Does Suja really think an empty corner storefront is more inviting than one that closes up at 5:00?
Bixby Knolls Resident
Sad, so very sad...we have a nitwit in a powerful position to 'decide' if a business is a 'good fit'. Suja, for the good of us all...please leave.
Eagle Eye
I have GOT to agree with the comment about less zealous parking enforcement!!! I came out of a shop the other day, and pulled out without putting on my seatbelt. Literraly JUST as I was pulling out, a cop saw me and did a 180 like a race car driver who had just spotted gold, and promptly pulled me over to give me a ticket. He was quite the prick, and quite eager to write a ticket.

Yeah technically you are within the right to do this, but this is just another factor that makes me and others more hesitant about coming to that area.

The previous time I came down there I incurred a $50 parking ticket, because I did not see a meter, thanks to the "new technology" of the city.

Do you think that after a person gets fined $200 for a seatbelt infraction, or $50 for a parking violation, that they are going to be eager to come back?? Sure, you got to add some gold to your coffer, but you also just tarnished any image of being a friendly place to shop.

DocG
The implication that the vacancies on Pine are the result of selectivity rather than long-term mismanagement of a down-town strategy by the City of LB sounds questionable to me.
Perhaps we can reopen the vacant Acres of Books as a magnet for developement for downtown?
Mike Ruehle
How would Suja know anything about her constituent businesses? She is unapproachable and her office rarely returns phone calls seeking her assistance.
Paul
The first part correctly concluded that the LB Freeway is avoided by many drivers. Many use Racetrack Broadway, Ocean, 3rd, and 7th to cross town. What would happen with traffic and quality of life with Suja's high density plan? It might work if most people used bikes to get about. They do not. Alan Lowenthal,as a community activist, pushed for high density. The result was the crakerbox buildings. So the whole high density plan is a spin of the wheel that, no doubt, would not help the residents, but would keep the so called, "Plantation" going. Working with the local resident stakeholders and not just the City Family of employees and business people, many of whom don't live here, would be a good start.
Mike Ruehle
Why was Suja consulted on this topic and not Councilman Robert Garcia? Suja only represents Pine Avenue South of 3rd. That section is mostly occupied. Pine Avenue north of 3rd is the portion that is mostly vacant. That area is represented by Councilman Garcia, not Suja. Wouldn't it be more relevant to hear Garcia's opinion on the matter, assuming he has an opinion?
Reality
I agree with Suja, the promenade, east village and other areas of downtown are far more desirable now than Pine which has the reputation of a bunch of whiny residents and building owners who want everything done for them. Pine avenue is no longer the only street in town. How come the East Village, 4th street, the promenade and others arent complaining as much about the city, DLBA and others not doing anything for them....the answer is because they are actively involved in helping themselves and their surroundings unlike the Pine folks. The City Council has a lot more to worry about than Pine Avenue.
lardgal
How about Suja does soemthing with the City Council to clean up the homeless population in downtown and the gangland areas of Long Beach that people have to drive through to get there. A visible presence of more police would be a start, but then again its back to the City council not wanting to spend money on the things Long Beach really cares about.
BixbyHillResident
I agree with Suja about being "selective" as to what types of businesses they allow. However, was this the case with City Place? I can't think of a project that has had more of a negative impact on the downtown area than City Place and Walmart in particular. Downtown Long Beach has so much potential, but will never truly take off until something is done. I can't help think that City Place has a direct correlation with the high vancancy rate on Pine
Juan Pardell
Frankly, you need viable consumers in order to make a commerical downtown district work. In addition, you need viable employers paying significant wages to sustain certain businesses. If customers have no money, they cannot spend. Also, the district has to be safe. Those with viable means will not visit an area which has detrimental problems. Finally, there has to be a reason for visitors to consistently desire downtown Long Beach as a an optimum choice. Unfortunately, none of the aforementioned items currently exists.
MuffinLB
Suja Lowenthal is a hack, a lightweight, a wannabe. No one enjoys hearing themselves talk more at a city council meeting than this woman. Really? So there is an actual plan for the empty storefronts along Pine Avenue? The city is going to start "vetting" retailers? Will we court check cashing joints or 99 Cent Stores to complement the tentant mix at CityPlace? Becasue, let's face it, that project was just so what downtown needed. My guess is there are NO REAL quality retailers interested in Pine Avenue South, North or anywhere else in the nearby vicinity. But playing make-believe is always fun...
larryfinley
I agree. Why allow a business that closes at 5 to replace a vacancy that is 24 hours a day
Rick Berry
When I moved downtown 17 years ago, we had Shoreline Village, but the focus was on the Promenade. I felt sorry for the pioneers on The Promenade that were abandoned for Pine Ave. Then I felt sorry for the businesses on Pine who were abandoned for the Pike. Now I feel sorry for the businesses at the Pike and on Pine and in Shoreline Village who read that the Promenade is "the hottest space in downtown right now." It's always about the next big thing...
LBMike
Suja's a gas bag! But never forget...she's a member of the council's "insider club". What ever Suja wants Suja will get! Her buddies DeLong and Foster will make sure of that. Including re-election unless someone in the 2nd district dosen't step up to the plate soon!
Esteban
Unfortunately, the Pine Avenue/downtown development was completely botched by the city and the redevelopment agency from the start. The city does not have any control over which businesses actually end up leasing space and surviving, however, they create the foundation (architecture, quality, transportation, etc.)

Check out Portland Oregon if you want to see what Long Beach could have become. Instead of the Pearl district we have Pine Avenue. The Pearl District took historical buildings and created amazing condos and high density units... beautiful architecture, quality developers, not what we got on Pine. Crappy, cheap apartments that were built with shoddy materials and design. When you botch the housing component, the retail follows: 7-eleven, Hooters, and Chili s.
Picturethis
Here it is, increasing density will bring more shoppers to shop on Pine Avenue! Like these people are going to eliminate the vacant storefronts. The Promenade, one street east of Pine Avenue offers a safer route for pedestrian traffic by comparison and that is about it. Running business owners like John Morse out is a black eye to pro-business community; as is prohibiting Larry Flynt's Hustler Company from entering. Has anyone seen how successful Hustler has been just up the freeway a piece in Gardena? More cracker box residential construction-like Brooklyn NY, and the elimination of the elements of Mom & Pop businesses that built this great country in the first place is unfortunately what the vice-mayor forecasts. Add an overzealous police force trying to play catch up with the city's spendhappy leadership by writing multiple infraction tickets are just symptoms of why this Long Beach native spends his hard earned cash outside the 2nd city council district's boundaries.
DRQA
Long Beach is notorious for forcing businesses out. Have you ever applied for a Business license? They're not friendly. You won't feel welcome for sure.
Drew
I'm a Belmont Shore resident for many years. I've tried visiting The Pine Street area many times, but i just can't go any more. Parking is a pain, and the police seem to be always chasing after some one. Restaurants are mediocre. Pine is for visitors on expense accounts not residents. Maybe I'm too old, but I'm done with it. Suja is so clueless.
Eric Gray
The City needs to streamline the process for when a new business wants to open up. It's a MAJOR problem.

That being said, I've seen a ton of improvements across multiple parts of Downtown including, Congregation Alehouse, Beachwood BBQ, Venice Dreams (Pine Avenue-8th), Long Beach Pedaler Society (6th and Pine), Kress Market (5th and Pine), Exhibit A (5th and Pine), Shortnin' Bread, Primal Flowers, Downtown Darlings, La Creperie, Crema de la Crepe, East Village Lights, Berlin, Portfolio and so forth, and so forth.. One must look at the reasons why Pine Avenue north of 3rd is being ignored and this issue must be corrected immediately.. You can't tell me that at the very least, 3rd - 4th can't be filled up with Businesses...

Streamline the business process....
SMB
As others have said, the city needs to make it EASIER to open new businesses, and stop throwing up road blocks.

Instead of all the sweetheart deals for big retailers, why not something simple, like say, waive the business license fee for the first year, or lower the fee to a REASONABLE level.

I feel as though this city is nickel and dimeing it's business owners and it's residents to death. Inexorbinant business license fees, ridiculous parking fees, overzealous parking enforcement, and the list goes on and on. Instead of trying to "catch us coming and going" as they say, why not make this city the BEST, easiest place on the west coast to live and run a business. Then the money will start pouring in, business with boom, and because of that, the coffers will be full. And you won't have to worry about the city having their hand in the residents' pockets at every turn.
Jerry Scanlan
Suja's Issues is the reason we have major problems on Pine Street . Who and the
hell let her get into office. She has no business since at all in dealing with this
problem. Have you not notice all the buinsesss closing up on pine street. You
really thing that a class AAA tenant will move into that situation.This is no hope for pine street with people like her in position of power and making business decisions.
Please find some other form of work but not on our dollars.
Hustler ??
Does anyone know how "they" got Hustler out?
laloof lb
yea lets play more music and less blablabla,we need the nex generetions,to suport pine av and all LB,no more expensive stores or fancy restaurants ,when there is no jobs out there and no money to espend.WE NEED JOBS,EDUCATION,OR THERE WILL BE NO MONEY TO SPEND ANY WHERE.
Greggory
Mike Ruehle: I consulted Lowenthal and not Garcia because my particular wonderings concerned Pine Ave. from 3rd Street southward -- the area generally considered to be the heart of downtown. Development of Pine north of 3rd is obviously a worthy subject, and I hope someday soon downtown will have a bigger heart, but it seems to me that traditionally in my time here (roughly 7 years) empty storefronts on Pine north of 3rd are not quite as noteworthy as empty ones in the 2nd District.
Downtown Tenant
I find it hard to swallow most everything she said in this piece. If Suja owned a building Downtown, I doubt she would chose to have it vacant 24 hours, or turn down a business that closes at 5 pm. And along the lines of being "selective," about who goes on Pine, who thought it was a good idea to put 7-11 on one of the most prime locations. I will take a Z Gallerie (with no interest loan) who brings a better clientle than a 7-11 any day. Cant wait to see whats next!
Sammy
Why dont the politicians keep thier noses out of what they dont understand. The sign of a great leader is that they recognize the abilities of people who know what they are doing and let them do it. Find the most successful location that has come back from the dead and hire that person to revive this location. Is that to simple of a concept?... Oh sorry I forgot we have politicians who think they know how to do everything. My bad.
Marshall Riverdale
@Paul - Alan Lowenthal was elected against 16 year incumbent Wally Edgerton because he OPPOSED and FOUGHT to stop the proliferation of crackerboxes. It was his efforts that resulted in the density reduction zoning changes attributed to the Council District under Edgerton's watch. Get your facts straight.
Eagle Eye
Good comments here! It seems the residents have the exact sight of the realities. Now we just need to elect folks who represent US.
rick
Larry Flint wasn't allowed to come to Long Beach but Lovers Sex Shop was? What about the millions of tax revenue that was lost when the council wouldn't let Bassmasters in. did you ever see Suja at a council meeting where she ever paid attention to anything the public said. AS long as she is in power Long Beach will remain a third rate city. You can only blow smoke so long.
Paul
Let's get down to the Crackerbox issue and city involvement leaving names and city departments out. The neighborhoods were just starting to attract young couples who found that they could buy a house at an affordable price. Not the best neighborhood, but not terrible. Some homes were just starting to be brought back from run down. Many new buyers did not realize or understand that they sat on a land mine of high density zoning. The banks, those darn banks again, opened up lending that made it desirable to build apartments. If NOTHING was done, the market on it's own, would have transformed many neighborhoods, some with historic potential, for the better. Any zoning issue taken on by the city has to be examined very carefully, or we may have another addition to the, "Ten Worst Mistakes."
Kenny
@Rick Bass Pro Shop (I believe is what you are referring to) wouldn't locate here unless the city provided huge tax breaks and incentives larger than had ever been granted before. When the city couldn't provide these tax breaks Bass Pro Shop went away. To present this as the council not "letting them in" is false.

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