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by Greggory Moore | No Destination | 03.07.10 |
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11:00am | Why do you think the Westboro Baptist Church is wrong?

It's a question most people wouldn't bother to ask themselves simply because they see the WBC as being wacko/repugnant/etc. But the subject of the sentence is "you," not the WBC; and the broader question is about how all of us come to be the people we are.

Once you put aside the soul (which is an ultimately unanswerable hypothetical—or "a leap of faith," if you like the sound of that better) and genetics, you're left with acculturation, the aspect of self from which we can draw the most direct and demonstrable connecting line to beliefs.

And when it comes to acculturation, we and the WBC are all in the same boat; we are all shaped by the same basic factors. Parents, books, society, the gods, common sense—there's basically nothing you had access to that they didn't. You can say all you like that you had better parents, read better books (or understood the same books better), that you have more properly received this or that divine spirit, etc.—but they can say the same thing right back at you.

If I were to ask everyone who came out to protest the WBC why they feel that the WBC's belief system is wrong/bad, most all of the answers would fall somewhere within three categories: (1) it's just obvious/self-evident/common sense, (2) the WBC is out of touch with Truth (whether some god's or otherwise), and/or (3) most of society disagrees with them1.

But both (1) and (2) ultimately come down to feeling something really, really strongly—never a convincing argument when that strength of feeling is for something counter to what you believe—while (3) doesn't fly, since we all agree that at times society has shown itself to be capable of the greatest wrongs.

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In his "The Adventures of the Soul", Anatole France writes something that impresses me very much:
There is no such thing as objective criticism any more than there is objective art, and all who flatter themselves that they put aught but themselves into their work are dupes of the most fallacious illusion. The truth is that one never gets out of oneself. [. . .] We are locked into our persons as into a lasting prison. The best we can do, it seems to me, is gracefully to recognize this terrible situation and to admit that we speak of ourselves every time that we have not the strength to be silent.

To be quite frank, the critic ought to say: "Gentlemen, I am going to talk about myself on the subject of Shakespeare, or Racine, or Pascal, or Goethe—subjects that offer me a beautiful opportunity."
To delimit what France is saying here to criticism—literary or otherwise—is to miss the point. Because, really, can we ever get clear of our feelings, beliefs, desires, perceptions, etc., so that we're somehow talking not about them but about Reality or Truth?

I don't see how we could. Personally, I don't pretend (in the name of 'journalistic objectivity' or anything else) that I am not locked into this completely subjective state of affairs. I am that completely subjective state of affairs. That's why often I go out of my way to write in the first-person: This is not What Is, just how things feel/appear from here.

And is there any feeling or apperception about which we cannot be mistaken? Can we ever be so smart or enlightened, or can something be so self-evident, that we cannot be in error? Well, consider the case of Thomas Jefferson.

On the whole Jefferson was, I think most of us would agree, a very intelligent, very forward-thinking, very well-intended person. A great man. And yet, like all of us, he was very much formed by his experience. So not only did he own slaves, but even living in close proximity to these people did not preclude him from forming some beliefs about them that seem to us almost impossibly ignorant and repugnant. For example, in his Notes on the State of Virginia (written c. 1781-1783), he writes the following:
In general, their existence appears to participate more of sensation than reflection. [. . .] Comparing them by their faculties of memory, reason, and imagination, it appears to me, that in memory they are equal to the whites; in reason much inferior, as I think one could scarcely be found capable of tracing and comprehending the investigations of Euclid; and that in imagination they are dull, tasteless, and anomalous. [. . .] Their love is ardent, but it kindles the senses only, not the imagination. [. . .] The improvement of the blacks in body and mind, in the first instance of their mixture with the whites, has been observed by every one, and proves that their inferiority is not the effect merely of their condition of life. . . .2
If he (Thomas Jefferson) could be wrong about that (whether people more recently from Africa are capable of thinking and feeling as deeply as people less recently from Africa and more recently from Europe)—and he seems pretty damn wrong to me—that leads to questions like, How is it that Jefferson could be so wrong? and Is there any reason to believe that I have some capacity for not-being-wrong that Jefferson lacked? and if not, what wrong beliefs might it be possible for me to hold?

Is there some method for believing or perceiving that is not subject to our subjectivity? Can we, as individuals and as a community, do something in the way of acquiring beliefs that Thomas Jefferson (if we think he was wrong about Africans) and the United States (if we think we were wrong to take slaves, to commit genocide, to torture) have proven unable to do?

My answer is "no," but here most people say otherwise by pointing to some sort of Force—God, the Universe, Inherent Wisdom, etc.—that will guide us (in really important matters, at least), if only we open ourselves up to it properly. But almost inevitably we judge how properly opened others are not by (what they sincerely believe to be) their experience of the Force, but by their beliefs/actions after the fact—specifically, whether we agree with those beliefs/actions. If we don't accord with them, we feel sure that they went astray somewhere along the way.

But feeling sure (or that something seems obvious, etc.) isn't much of a test of Rightness. No doubt the WBC* feel really sure that they're right. They have conviction. I'm sure they would admit to some degree of subjectivity and acculturation—after all, they're only human—but they would point to being in touch with God, Right, Truth. They're certain. Does their certainty have anything at all to do with whether they're right? It doesn't seem so to me.

But neither, then, does your certainty that the WBC are wrong or crazy or immoral have anything to do with whether you're right. I see no reason to believe anyone's certainty ought to mean anything to others. Insert "the counter-protestors" or "almost everyone I know" or "Greggory Moore" where I just wrote "the WBC*," and certainty still seems equally far from being even evidence of anything (except of feeling), let alone proof. Certainty is a description of an emotional/intellectual state, not an accurate assessment of a state of knowledge—and as such it's not productive in terms of considering, learning, ascertaining if we are in error. It may feel comfortable, but that very comfort seems like a seduction, a reason to be skeptical of it, to remain on our toes.

So here we are, alone in our subjective shame or glory, feeling A-B-C, believing D-E- F, wanting G-H-I, none of us having a more verifiably unobscured view of Truth (if there is such a thing) than any other. Were we all to acknowledge this state of affairs, to admit that we may not speak for God or the Universe or Rightness but only for our subjective selves, we would avoid unproductive talk about who is in touch with Truth and redistribute that energy to debates about whether a given belief or action is useful for shaping our community so that we're increasingly happy to live in it.

Here, finally, we have come to the ground on which my opposition to the WBC is built: I find completely unconvincing their suggestion that we will create a better society if we (e.g.) stop "enabling" homosexuality and thus save ourselves from God's wrath. In fact, I find it ludicrous; and as far as I can tell, their vision of a better society doesn't much resemble mine.

And the thing is, while the WBC would claim they're right to do this, even they would admit that doing so does nothing improve society. "You mean do we think [people who don't share the WBC's belief system] will obey?" replied Shirley Phelps-Roper as I questioned her about what the WBC hope to achieve by their demonstrations. "No, of course not! Are you kidding me?"

No doubt the WBC would find no less ludicrous my belief that one way we can have a better society is to stop being at all concerned with other people's bedroom preferences, let alone so concerned that we want to withhold from some of our brothers and sisters certain rights that the rest of us enjoy—let alone so angry about it that we go on mini-tours holding signs stating that God hates whatevs.

Although I feel pretty damn right about this, I am always open, because feeling right is just a feeling, and I am fallible and could have been misacculturated. In any case, I'm not looking to be right, but to contribute to improving society. And I don't see how talking about how right I am could make such a contribution.

Clearly, when those with whom we disagree are closed and claim infallibility and certainty in the impossibility of their misacculturation, we see their intractability as an impediment to bettering society. None of us should allow the possibility of ourselves being such an impediment. Because what's bad for the goose is bad for the gander.

Footnotes

1
Regarding this last one, we'll let it go that if even here in Long Beach 47.55% of voters went for "Yes" on Proposition 8, exactly how much the majority people disagree with the WBC is somewhat of an open question.

2
This example—and much of my general thinking on the topic of this essay—comes to me by way of Richard Rorty.

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John Greet
Very nicely written, Mr. M! I would say that "Truth" and "Fact" are not always synonymous terms although so many try to employ them interchangeably. For most of mankind at one time, it was indisputable *truth* that the earth was flat. But that perception of truth couldn't alter the "fact" that the world was, and is, not flat. A fact is information that can be objectively proved and, usually, supported by other related facts that can likewise be objectively proved. Thus it is only with facts that we are able to transcend those "truths" that we sometimes craft so subjectively. For this reason I do not seek so much after truths as I do after facts. WBC can point to their Bibles and quote various scriptures that they feel support their beliefs. While it is certainly a fact that the verses they are quoting exist as they are quoting them, they seem to fail to understand that not all Christians interpret those verses in the same manner, any more than all Muslims interpret passages from the Qur'an in the same manner that radical Islamists do. As you are right to point out, some with the WBC clearly don't believe that their protests are actually going to change anyone's behavior so what, then, is their true motivation for protesting? It would seem clear that the true motivation is nothing more nor less than to get attention. I think that when we pay any attention to them, they feel they have succeeded. I prefer to not help to provide them with that sort of satisfaction so I prefer to not participate in any counter-protests like that staged outside of Wilson HS, even though I could have literally walked there from my house in about 5 minutes. In publicly professing some of their beliefs in the way that they are, I believe WBC is engaging in hate speech. I think it's very possible to put them on notice that we belive that what they are saying and how they are saying it is wrong, without dignifying their hate-filled protest with a counter-protest of our own. For example, some of our Council members were either present at or participated in the counter-protest. I think a more effective response would have been a letter to the WBC, on City letterhead, signed by our Mayor and every Council member, putting WBC on official notice that as an official policy our City does not tolerate hate speech in any form and that if they choose to visit our city in the future, they might be more effective at presenting their views to us in a less hostile and hate-filled manner. In this way our community may have been able to provide WBC with a meaningful response, without giving them the attention they so obviously feed upon. But, as is always possible, I could certainly be wong.

West Coast Native
As long as truths are dependent on our "point of view" then facts will be confusion factors that may or may not change our "point of view". I admire Jefferson for what he put into the preamble to the Declaration but the self-evident truths that he declared were obviously meant to be narrowly applied within the culture that he was a part. The high school that I attended in Long Beach did not begin to have an integrated student body until 1971-1972 when we accepted exchange students from Poly in exchange for volunteers from our school. Is it true that the school/district wrong for this segregation of some minorities? Will the facts show that changes were made voluntarily instead of being forced by the courts? I don't know the answer to either question as Mr Moore pointed out - I only have my point of view. As I teach school in another state, I am constantly reminded that no one culture has a monopoly on truths or facts. Great article, Mr. Moore

CHARLIE
Right On Gregg - you'll always catch more fly's with honey, but, for some reason, WBC never learned that - strange isn't it?

Asya
Greggory, Great article, as usual. But I'm not convinced you picked the best example in the WBC to illustrate your point. There are lots of logical inconsistancies in the belief system of the WBC and other conservative evangelical groups that one can point to as a basis for disagreement, rather than just a counter system of beliefs. Bible literalists rarely abstain from eating shellfish and pork, and even less rarely wear four tassels on their cloaks, as is prescribed in the bible. I have yet to see anyone who refuses to marry his brother's widow have his sandal removed, spit in his face, and then have his family be known as "the house of him who has had his sandal removed" (Leviticus 25:10). These prescriptions may be ludicrous, but if they were all followed with equal fervour I could at least conceed that this is a coherent system of beliefs based on an outdated book with cultural references far afield from my own. The WBC operates, as far as I understand them, on a unique (or nearly unique) set of logic which holds that literal interpretations of the bible are imperative for some things, yet not at all relevant for others. Â Â Â Also, what do you mean by acculturation? In anthropology we use this word (though rarely these days) to mean a dissolution of a cultural system, sometimes via hegemonic forces. But that doesn't seem to be how you are using it. Do you mean enculturation? In general, I've never been much of a believer in objective reality, but I do believe that we as humans hold in common frames of reference, and use these along with our faculties of reason to sort out our systems for making sense of the world as we see it. I may believe I can fly, unaided, from my rooftop, but logic (and physics) suggest(s) otherwise. You may call me crazy for my beliefs, but that doesnt get you very far. Use your reason and argue that I don't have wings, as do most flying creatures, and we can get somewhere. (of course, we are skirting somewhat close to the question of faith, and that is another article altogether.) Â Â Â Â

Paul K
I happened to be walking by the WBC demonstration in front of the Terrace Theater. A protester was in a heated discussion with a woman I think was Shirley Phelps, the daughter of the WBC founder. I couldn't hear all of the discussion but, at one point the woman shouted at the protester "I'm not here to convert you, I'm here to condemn you." Which has had me wondering...to what purpose? Why would anyone travel the country carrying a (admittedly unpopular)message unless conversion of your audience was your purpose?

Greggory
John: Thanks! I was using "Truth" and not "truth" to differentiate between (supposedly) transcendent truth and the anthropocentric sort you're talking about. I think you are using "Fact" as I am using "Truth," and I would say that everything I say about Truth applies. Apropos: Facts cannot be objectively proven, because we can never operate on an objective level (if there is such a thing). WCN: Well said. Thanks. Charlie: Thanks. And maybe it's not that the WBC didn't learn that -- it's just that they don't care and simply want to be right. Asya: Bah! Yes: enculturation (first time I've heard that word). Re the WBC, your valuing as a basis for disagreement what you consider to be logical inconsistencies in their belief system IS "just a counter system of beliefs." The Universe (as far as we can verify) doesn't favor that as a basis of disagreement over, say, flipping a coin (heads I agree, tails I disagree); YOU favor it because you've been enculturated to do so. Same goes for your counterfactually finding their belief system more coherent if they were faithful Bible literalists (a label that I don't know if they claim). As I say in the piece, clearly they think they're in touch with Truth -- and so (they would say) if their True beliefs seem incoherent to you, that's your problem. As for common frames of reference and faculties of reason, without getting into cant about Kant, do we have those without language? And since language is enculturated (even if we have a built-in system for acquiring language), doesn't that make these frames and faculties wholly subjective -- and thusly isn't the sense they help us make of the world equally subjective? E.g., This is a dagger I see before me, solid and singular…and yet we know (via physics) that this is nothing if not a context-dependent description. It's just that some bands of enculturation are wider than others -- and so often lingua francas are easily had. But I don't think that means anything different is happening in those cases. It's turtles all the way down. Paul: I guess that's exactly what you'd do if you get off on proclaiming your right(eous)ness.

Loris
asya: "an outdated book". isn't that a pretty categorical and dogmatic value judgement coming from someone who's a little fuzzy about objective reality? I mean the parables alone make Kafka look like a weird amalgalm of a hack and a duffer! but let me know of one or two fully up to the very latest minute books for next time I go the library. I'd like to bone up on my stilted, nerdy, shoegazing and pretentious gobbldeygook------ not to mention my hegemonic forces and my habitus.

Loris
greggory: despite your impressive display of bla bla bla bla bla , asya has a point about the guy who thinks he can fly and is ready to jump. exquisitely minted fifty dollar words aside would you caution him not to? and if so, why? I mean isn't one system of beliefs as good as another (until of course your brains are on the sidewalk)? where the rubber hits the road is where sophists meet their demise. use your reason and agrue: halleluja!

Greggory
Loris: What I'd tell the guy is that, although I can't see the future and don't know for certain (and if he believed some of the stuff in the Bible, then believing he could fly doesn't seem like much of a leap), it is my belief that he is mistaken -- and if based on that he wanted to get into a discussion about the technical details of it, we could talk about how I came by my belief on the subject vs. how he came by his, and about the pragmatic value of holding this or that belief (which is where we get to your rhetorical question about whether one belief system is as good as another), etc. What I DON'T think I would do, and what I don't think has much value, is talk about how I'm just right. I mean, really, is THAT what you think this guy would find convincing?

No Destination
Greggory Moore examines Long Beach in light of his belief that the most pragmatic aim of a community and its individuals is not for a terminus but simply to be better, always to be better.

Trapped within in the ironic predicament of wanting to know everything (more or less) while believing it may not be possible really to know anything at all, Greggory Moore is nonetheless dedicated to a life of study, be it of books, people, nature, or that slippery phenomenon we call the self. And from time to time he feels impelled to write a little something. He lives in a historic landmark downtown and holds down a variety of word-related jobs, from HOA minutes-taker to copy editor and contributing writer for The District Weekly.

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