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Digging Deeper Into Pot Dispensaries by Greggory Moore | No Destination | 09.29.09 | | Text Size: +
This piece is in response to an op-ed submitted by Long Beach City Attorney Tom Reeves on the issue of medical marijuana dispensaries in Long Beach. Click here to read that article. Early in his op-ed Mr. Reeves flatly states that "[i]t is still a felony to grow [marijuana]." However, the Compassionate Use Act, voted into law by us Californians in 1996, emended Section 11362.5 of California's Health & Safety Code, "ensur[ing] that seriously ill Californians have the right to obtain and use marijuana for medical purposes where that medical use is deemed appropriate and has been recommended by a physician." (Needless to say, a doctor-qualified patient cannot use the marijuana she has a legally-established, explicit right to use unless someone grows it.) Moreover, Senate Bill 420, which became law in 2003 in an effort to clarify and expand upon the CUA, explains that [t]he [CUA] prohibits the provisions of law making unlawful the possession or cultivation of marijuana from applying to a patient, or to a patient's primary caregiver, who possesses or cultivates marijuana for the personal medical purposes of the patient upon the written or oral recommendation or approval of a physician. (Introduction) We have to wonder, then, why a city prosecutor would have an interest in publicly claiming that all growing of marijuana is still felonious in California, when clearly this is not the case. In the same sentence Reeves also claims that all sales are felonious, yet he himself refers to the provision of the Medical Marijuana Program Act (viz., SB 420) allowing caregivers to be compensated for expenses. That provision is amplified in two pertinent cases Mr. Reeves chose not to cite: *From People v. Urziceanu (2005): [The MMPA]'s specific itemization of the marijuana sales law indicates it contemplates the formation and operation of medicinal marijuana cooperatives that would receive reimbursement for marijuana and the services provided in conjunction with the provision of that marijuana. (p. 49) *From Williams v. Butte County (2007): [I]t appears that, contrary to the stated policy of [Butte] County, the legislature intended collective cultivation of medical marijuana would not require physical participation in the gardening process by all members of the collective, but rather would permit that some patients would be able to contribute financially [. . .] (pp. 5-6). And ironically, Reeves contradicts his own assertion that it is illegal to sell marijuana medicinally in his summary of the one case he does cite: "After Mentch that dispensary operator will have to prove [. . . t]hat the caregiver relationship [. . .] existed before the sale of marijuana." In other words, as long as the caregiver relationship exists, the sale is legal. Do I have that right? Let's check a bit of Reeves's logic with a syllogism: A) "It is still a felony to grow it or sell it." B) "After Mentch that dispensary operator will have to prove [. . . t]hat the caregiver relationship [. . .] existed before the sale of marijuana." Therefore, according to Reeves, if a dispensary operator can prove the existence of a caregiver relationship, she is free to commit a felony. Why such convolution by Reeves? Perhaps because he is unwilling or unable to get beyond his own personal prejudice concerning marijuana. This seems obvious enough just from his labeling marijuana as "dope," as if it's not medicine (and isn't that just what it is in the context of discussing medicinal marijuana?) but of a piece with meth, PCP, and heroin. That's pretty far from a disinterested analysis of the facts concerning a substance that is pharmacologically in its own class. Clearly, Mr. Reeves has an ax to grind, and this op-ed seems to have a lot more to do with grinding that ax than with passing along information that is somehow going to benefit our community. As a private citizen Mr. Reeves is entitled to grind that ax how he will, and he needn't justify to any of us why he's interested in tilting at this windmill with it. But at the top of the op-ed he goes out of his way to identify himself as our city prosecutor (did he write this as part of his duties as city prosecutor—and so did our tax dollars, which pay his salary, go toward paying for this op-ed?), as if to remind us that he is a citizen who holds a job that does indeed concern us all. And we might not be missing the point to be concerned that, with all of the property crime and violent crime in the city, the person holding this office finds medpot so worthy of his time and attention that he feels impelled to write an op-ed about it. One question that's always worth asking: Cui bono? Who benefits? Clearly medpot is a hot-button issue right now. Might Mr. Reeves be interested in generating some heat (political or otherwise) for himself on the residue of "reefer madness"? Or could it be that he would like us to focus on these "dope dealing" dispensaries so that we take our eyes off truly serious city problems? I really don't know. But surely it is no coincidence that Mr. Reeves's op-ed appears just as the City Council is constructing guidelines to regulate medpot dispensaries; rather, presumably his point is to do the utmost to shape our city as he sees fit. And in reading Mr. Reeves's piece, it seems to me his vision does not accord with "the intent of the [California] Legislature [to] [e]nhance the access of patients and caregivers to medical marijuana through collective, cooperative cultivation projects" (SB 420, § 1, subd. (b)). But don't take my word for it. Show Mr. Reeves’s op-ed to a seriously ill medpot patient and then ask her if she feels Reeves has any concern for her medicinal needs. Wanna guess what she'll say? Disclosure: The LBPOST.com has sponsorship relationships with medical marijuana dispensaries. Comments
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John Greet Greggory: Could Mr. Reeves be attempting to draw a distinction between federal and State law? Could Mr. Reeves also be drawing a distinction between "dispensaries" and "Co-ops/Collectives"? Do you not feel it's proper for the only elected official in our city charged with prosecuting all adult misdemeanor crimes committed in the city to be concerned about this topic since our elected Council's Economic Development and Finance Committee asked for his legal opinion on the matter just last week? Does not our elected City Prosecutor have a responsibility to educate all of the people of Long Beach (and not just a Council Committee) concerning his opinion on such matters and isn't an Op-ed like that published here but one of the ways he can do so? Mela I drive by one of these storefront marijuana shops about twice a month. It is on San Antonio, just west of Orange in North Long Beach. I look carefully to see who is waiting outside to be let in by the on duty guard. I see mostly young, well dressed and what seems to be, healthy people in their 20's. I say for the most part, this has all the marks of being a scam benefiting those who wish to use the legal loophole created by this for their personal monetary or legal and recreational gain. Let's get real and call these places for what they are. The average and majority public should have an ax to grind once they have caught on to this reality in their neighborhoods. Reeverse Bravo! Great post and good research to support it. See? This is what I mean about the City Leadership + Did anyone see that gawd awful video that the City vomited out in an effort to try and get Tesla here? All anyone has to do is read the comments to these posts to get a feel for the public's distaste for the way this City is operated. These kinds of political fiascos are now commonplace in this City. People stand up and be heard â€' vote in leaders with know-how and an even moral compass. There are plenty of 'right' people who can make this beautiful City the cosmo-metro that it yearns to be. Business leaders unite to engage visitors in our City â€' we don't needs these moronic leaders - we can do better than them and do it with less. AB390 Mr. Reeves is apparently a marijuana bigot. Unfortunately, this sort of bigotry has been stoked by decades of government misinformation about cannabis. Sovereignty over one's own body is the most basic of human rights. Cannabis should be legal not only for medical patients but for responsible adults who prefer it as a less harmful substitute for alcohol. Join the fight to legalize marijuana in California. Visit http://yes390.org Saint7 What has happened is; In California there are, I believe, four initiatives to change the Cannabis laws in this state. Since one of those initiatives is extreemly well funded it can rise above the din of the media events around Medical cannabis in the past three months. Combine the medical news din with the public land grows and, the other three initiatives are effectively distanced from meaningful free access to the public with their more liberal cannabis laws. So please people get involved with CaliforniaCannabisInitiave.org freedom is a terrible thing to waste. Saint7@sbcglobal.net Capster @John Greet - nicely written - thank you! @Mela - the tiny time slice in which you observe said operation gives no validity to the conclusion you draw about it. You may be correct, but before I draw any conclusion I would want WAY more comprehensive data than your drive by a couple of times a month. We used to burn and drown witches on such scanty evidence as I recall. Having said that, I believe both the terminology (dope) and the apparent attitude demonstrated by Mr. Reeves shows a huge bias against marijuana use in any form for any purpose, and a gross lack of consideration and compassion for those who benefit from its use as intended by the law. As with almost all forms of drugs and medicines, there is abuse and misuse and there is proper and intended use. Let's not damn the whole for the sake of the portion that falls under misuse. I have a number of friends who benefit greatly from medical marijuana use when no other accepted medical procedures have been able to alleviate their suffering or symptoms. In 40 years in the workforce, I have certainly seen negative consequences of people who (over) indulge in illegal drugs, but I have seen a thousand-fold more instances from chronic drinkers suffering either inebriation on the job or the effects of a severe hangover from their imbibing the night before. I will add that in my earlier years of hearty partying behaviors, I never missed a day of work from having smoked marijuana the night before, but missed many days of work from the effects of drinking the night before, so which behavior is costing business and society more? Lastly, it absolutely galls me that I can drink a fifth of whiskey every night and be at no risk of being denied a job, or losing a job for having been alcohol tested, but if I have smoked even a tiny bit of marijuana in the past 30 days, I am at severe risk of denial or elimination from the work force. The insanity of this fact is beyond any reasonable justification, and is one more glaring piece of evidence of the total failure of this country's "war on drugs" - one of the biggest financial and power fiasco's ever foisted on the tax payers of this country! Had we spent a fraction of the money wasted on this failed war to educate grade school children on mental wellness, self esteem and their value as human beings, we would have achieved much greater success. As Mother Theresa once replied when asked regarding anti-war rallies - "I was once asked why I don't participate in anti-war demonstrations. I said that I will never do that, but as soon as you have a pro-peace rally, I'll be there." Fighting against things has never really succeeded in the long run, but fighting for worthy things has succeeded beautifully in thousands of cases. Enough said... Concerned Parent As a nation, we would be wise to adopt an approach allowing individuals to grow a little marijuana for personal use. It would put the illegal drug dealers out of business if users could legally grow a small amount for themselves and/or share it at a nominal cost with others. Limit the size of the growing area or the number of plants, and put a small user-fee on it to cover administrative costs, something like a fishing license. One possibility:$100 per year for a permit to cultivate a dozen plants. It's a win-win. Enough is Enough! Great article! Thank you for sharing this information. I think we should all unite and demand that the will of the people be the law of the land. Enough of powerful lawyers having more influence on our government than the people who empower it! It is OUR government and it should represent us. We are Californians, the majority of us, left, right or center know that this plant is not a "bad" thing and see know harm it, or its commercial activity. In fact it does more damage when it is deemed illegal, aiding the black market and the Mexican mafia. Enough is enough! We should demand of our council, an open policy that deals with issues of citizens regarding these dispensaries, and once we've governed these establishments, stay resilient all the way to the Supreme Court! Greggory John: 1) No, Reeves's felony claims have nothing to do with drawing a fed/state distinction. Consider the context of the paragraph: he specifies CA in citing the CUA, then says growing/selling still a felony, then says CA can choose how to ply ITS criminal laws. 2) He seems to be doing more bashing than distinguishing; and in any case, apparently it's all "dope" to him. 3) What he's concerned about is his private concern; this is something else; how "proper" it is everyone can decide for herself. 4) No, to my knowledge, the responsibility to educate is not among the duties of the city prosecutor. In any case, can you think of anything else about which Reeves has shown an interest in "educating" the public? Juan Pardell John Greet: I'm doubting there will be a correct answer on this issue. As with many others, I have my own opinion. I believe prosecuting marijuana related crimes is futile. Much like prostitution, its throwing law enforcement resources at a policy where those who are convicted, are escorted in & out of a county jail's revolving door. Frankly, there are more severe crimes that need greater attention from our penal systems. not a lawyer MELA: You must be some doctor, with your drive-by diagnosis. Can you teach me how to spot cancer, AIDS, anxiety, MS, back pain, insomnia, glaucoma, arthritis, diabetes, chronic pain, old injuries, depression, leukemia, and every other disease known and unknown from the comfort of my moving vehicle? It's quite a trick! You're gonna be a millionaire! Author: I think clearly Reeves IS referring to federal law when he mentions "felony". Everybody: Legalize it!!!!!!!!!! John Greet Thanks Greggory. Your columns are always educational and entertaining. Greggory not a lawyer: I don't see how, since it would be nonsense for him to say (as he does in your scenario) that the CUA - which he specifies is a state law - doesn't federally legalize medpot. And consider his Mentch comment, where suddenly he's talking about a scenario where sales WOULD be legal - which he wouldn't entertain if talking about fed law. But perhaps you're right and I'm giving him too much credit for avoiding muddled logic. illegal but immune Greggory: you should have read the article a little more closely before confusing and embarrassing yourself. Nowhere does Reeves mention a scenario where the sale of marijuana is legal. He makes it clear that it is not. The Mentch case addresses immunity from prosecution under California state law. So it is still illegal, but California just won't prosecute those who qualify for this immunity (such as patients and actual caregivers). This isn't a failure in logic, but the legal reality concerning medical marijuana distribution in California. If seriously ill patients need (or prefer) marijuana for medicinal purposes, they need to buy it legally and not from one of these dispensaries which fraudulently claim to be caregivers. Michael Reeves seems to believe that doctors are giving out Rxs willy-nilly so patients can get pot. If that's the case, he should go after the MDs that are doing this. But of course, he won't, since he has nowheres near the guts that would take. It's much easier to harass black and brown young people. That's all this is about. John Greet Michael: You demonstrate the self-same ignorance and prejudice of which you are accusing others. No where does Mr. Reeves accuse doctors of writing prescriptions for marijuana. He does not make this accusation because he knows that doctors cannot prescribe any drug -like marijuana- currently listed on Schedule 1. What some doctors *are* writing are "recommendations" rather than prescriptions which they can lawfully do. Should a doctor "recommend" marijuana improperly or unethically, say, to help feed someone's addiction to that drug, and that can be proved, then it would be considered a felony (among other things) and a matter for the D.A, the DEA and the Medical Board of California, to investigate and to prosecute; not Mr. Reeves. Unfounded allegations of racism have no place in these (or any) discussions and when people resort to them they serve to undermine valid concerns about true instances of racism that do still exist in our society. John Greet Greggory: When attempting to interpret what another person says or writes, it's often helpful to ask the person who said or wrote it to clarify and this I have now done. I wrote to Mr. Reeves and simply asked him and he was kind enough to favor me with a response. According to Mr. Reeves: "It is still a felony to cultivate marijuana - unless (one is) a qualified patient cultivating for his/her own use or a designated caregiver (as defined by People v. Mentch) cultivating for the patient who designated you to be their caregiver." Mr. Reeves in fact never wrote, as you allege, that: "all growing of marijuana is still felonious in California". The term "all" is a qualification you, and not Mr. Reeves, chose to employ. Greggory illegal but immune: It's ironic you mention embarrassing oneself. You say, "Nowhere does Reeves mention a scenario where the sale of marijuana is illegal. Hmmm, let's see if I can again find...Yes, here's something: "It is still a felony to grow it or sell it." Oh, and here's: "[...] medical marijuana dispensary operations are illegal". Turns out your nowhere isn't that hard to locate. In grasping my point as poorly as you've made your own, you miss that I'm well aware that his argument - despite some of his phrasing - is that SOME sales are in fact legal; but he's done much to overstate the illegality. Noam Chomsky would call this an effort to manufacture consent. The raison d'ĂŞtre of Reeves's piece is not to educate, but to persuade. John: Here is the sentence: "It is still a felony to grow it or sell it"; there is no qualifier, and lacking one, grammatically the sentence implies "all." (Consider these two sentences: 1) "Humans cannot fly." 2) "Humans cannot fly - unless they use an airplane, hanglider, etc.") The "unless" qualifier is one he quite consciously avoided in the op-ed. As to why, see my above reply to Reeves. Don't let yourself get spun so easily, John. Mr. Reeves may not be the most technically proficient writer, but he knows what to include and what to omit to (attempt to) further his agenda. And if you don't think he's got an agenda with that op-ed, well, I don't know what to tell you. John Greet Greggory: A couple of final points if I may. First: Looking just one word further in the portion of the Op-ed you have cited, I see the following word: "However...". The sentence that follows that *qualifier* goes on to explain, and quite clearly to my mind, how California can pass legislation authorizing marijuana cultivation, use and transfer, at the State level, when such activity remains illegal at the federal level. This is not "spin" it is simply legalistically accurate analysis, which I deem to be Mr. Reeves' responsibility, as an attorney and a prosecutor, to provide whenever asked -which he has been- and to clarify, whenever he may feel it appropriate. Second: Mr. Reeves hasn't spun me. Mr. Reeves has a clear bias against unlawful activity. It's a bias that he and I happen to share and I, for one, happen to like that quality in our City, State and Federal prosecutors. It's no more unreasonable for Mr. Reeves, as a prosecutor, to harbor such a bias against unlawful activity than it is for a defense attorney to harbor a bias toward his/her client, even if that person has, in fact, committed a crime. Our City Prosecutor's client is the People of Long Beach and if he wants to attempt to clarify for his clients what he believes the laws to be (and to mean) concerning marijuana dispensaries, then I think he's well within his right to do so. I believe *that* to be Mr. Reeves' agenda...to explain to us all both the legalities AND illegalities surrounding this issue and to encourage us all to exercise caution and due care as we work through our desire to regulate Co-Ops and Collectives in our city. But reasonable people can agree to disagree. Aldra Mela: Although this has little to do with the content of Greggory's article, I just have to address your comment! You cannot determine the health or medical status of people, beyond obvious conditions like paralysis, simply by looking at them. For instance, you wouldn't have known my sister-in-law had metasticized breast cancer until a few months before her death. Sick people don't always look sick, and it's never a good idea to create an opinion about a human being based on appearance. As a nation, we have a pretty horrific track record of marginalizing segments of the population based on appearance and/or perceived lifestyle. It's not the most enlightened approach. In other news, it baffles me that we have a city prosecutor who is fixated on this issue given the amount of violent crime in our fair city. It certainly doesn't inspire much confidence. Greggory John: My point - which you miss again, and again - is that Reeves crafted his op-ed in such a way to give the impression that marijuana - oh, sorry: "dope" (is that terminology part of the "legalistically accurate analysis" you're talking about? What about his catchy slogan-mongering? Is that just part of the clarifying you say is his responsibility?) - is not REALLY legal medicine, that it's still felonious to grow/sell it, only that California has under some conditions kindly chosen not to prosecute that extant felony. What he amplified to YOU is not something (in and of itself) I'd have had a problem with: "It is still a felony to cultivate marijuana - unless (one is) a qualified patient [etc.]" - i.e., NOT a felony ("felony [...] unless"); but that is not what he put out there for public consumption. That you can't see that means you've been spun or are spinning on your own. illegal but immune Greggory: you made the same mistake with my comment as you did with Mr. Reeves article. YOU MISREAD IT. PLEASE READ WHAT I ACTUALLY WROTE INSTEAD OF MISQUOTING ME. My point is the same as Mr. Reeves. Selling and growing marijuana is still a felony, though certain individuals are immune from prosecution. How hard is that to understand? Immunity does not make it legal. Your article has helped me realize that the LBPOST has a long way to go before establishing itself as a reliable news-source. John Greet Ok, Greggory. As mentioned, reasonable people can agree to disagree. Thanks again for the dialog! Greggory illegal but immune: Sorry for misquoting you (though how I did so - by making a mental typo - is unrelated to how I read Reeves). It's just that my head is spinning for all the convolution going on, of which you're a willing part. "Nowhere does Reeves mention a scenario where the sale of marijuana is legal," you say. "He makes it clear that it is not." First, I question what's so clear about saying it's felonious to produce what someone has an explicit, legal right to obtain and use. Second, if he's being so "clear" about medpot's illegality in all cases, then what of his own clarification to John Greet: "It is still a felony to cultivate marijuana - unless (one is) a qualified patient [etc.]" Parse THAT sentence and what's clear is that there are scenarios in which cultivating marijuana is not a felony ("felony [...] unless"). As I say, convoluted. Because he's got one thing in mind: to spin an impression that will get people to go with his agenda. I've got to give him credit: he's succeeded with you, at least - because instead of considering my last line (what a seriously ill medpot patient would think of Reeves's concern for her needs - and to me the patients' needs are what this is all supposed to be about), he's got your eye off the ball. Brent The crime rate in Long Beach is so high we rank 21 out of 100 for safety. Last year we had 3,755 violent crimes and 14,698 property crimes. Why is Tom Reeves spending time on victimless crimes when he hasn’t solved the big ones? Really, I know Mr. Reeves is entitled to his opinion, but with a city that has such a high rate of violent crime, I would rather he spend his free time diving in how to solve those problems, not creating new ones. Where is his article about how he wants to rid the city of gangs? Where is the article on how he intends to low the violent crime rate? Where is his opinion on how he intends to stop carjacking and burglary? The silence is deafening. I guess when you don’t have the guts or skills to stop the violent crime that rules the city, you create busy work going after victimless infractions. Even if he didn’t write this op-ed, based on his convoluted rationalization of the law, now that I see how he thinks, he needs to be voted out of office. John Greet Brent: Most of the crimes you mention are felonies. Mr. Reeves has no statutory authority to prosecute felonies. Greggory But John, Reeves is talking about felonies vis-Ă -vis medpot, too, so I don't see your point in your response to Brent. John Greet Greggory: Mr. Reeves can hold and offer a legal opinion about felony crimes and this he has done. But Brent presumes to take Mr. Reeves to task for not doing more to solve or to prosecute felony crimes in our City. Mr. Reeves hasn't the authority to do this, so taking him to task for not doing so is a specious argument. Greggory No, John, Brent says, "Where is his article about how he wants to rid the city of gangs?" etc. This is a good example what I mean by your being spun: you are conveniently ignoring parts of what Reeves said and what others say about Reeves's words here in a kind of blind support Reeves. Frankly, it's a bit odd. Lee Brent has a good point. In fact, I would take it a step further. If Reeves is in a wad about this, how about a cost breakdown of his plan. How much will it cost the city and it's taxpayers to raid 40 some collectives? How much for all the man hours, overtime, planning, prosecution, and incarceration. How about some transparency on the police time which will be taken away from other crime like the proliferation of street gangs. They have ruled parts of the city at least since the 20 years I have been here. Where are his priorities? Next he will want a task force for jaywalking. J. Smyte Reeves smells money. By raiding dispensaries with little resources to fight back, the police in control will try to keep all the money. In 2005, the LAPD raided a legally compliant dispensary and seized $186,400 in cash. The money was transferred to an LA U.S. Attorney’s office which planned to kickback 80% to the local cops. The court decided today was that the LAPD was reckless, tainted, misleading and illegal. They stated that the conduct of the LAPD was to profit from unlawful activity according to Judge Richard R. Clifton. The jig is up, Reeves needs to realize this is illegal and doing so will cost the city a great deal of money to fight lawsuits should he ignore this ruling. Just like the LAPD, the money is not yours Mr. Reeves, find another cash cow. Google 9th circuit and LAPD for more info.
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Greggory Moore examines Long Beach in light of his belief that the most pragmatic aim of a community and its individuals is not for a terminus but simply to be better, always to be better.
Trapped within in the ironic predicament of wanting to know everything (more or less) while believing it may not be possible really to know anything at all, Greggory Moore is nonetheless dedicated to a life of study, be it of books, people, nature, or that slippery phenomenon we call the self. And from time to time he feels impelled to write a little something. He lives in a historic landmark downtown and holds down a variety of word-related jobs, from HOA minutes-taker to copy editor and contributing writer for The District Weekly.
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