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Bicyclists Have the Right-of-way, But We Don't Own the Road

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12:34pm | We bicyclists1 rightly believe the city is right to get a clue about our favored mode of movement.
 
And it's absolutely essential that we operators of gasoline-powered vehicles (I'm this, too) drive with deference to the vulnerability of our bicycling brethren on the roadways, because helmets and elbow pads don't do much against a ton of four-wheeled metal. Factor in the ineluctable reality that, however essential motorized transport may be for covering X distance in Y time or hauling a piano from here to there, pedaling a bicycle is, environmentally speaking, a holier activity than pressing a foot lever that pumps carbon monoxide (to name but one pathogen) into the air, and puh-lease. Bicycles have the right-of-way, end of story.


That should not give leave for any of us to ride as if we are not part of the human traffic flow  however they may roam  and instead act as if we’re disconnected, impervious, above it all, as if we don't have to concern ourselves with anyone not traveling like us.

All this bicycle-friendly infrastructure-building is good stuff. The more convenient it is for people to bicycle from point A to point B (especially if it becomes increasingly inconvenient to drive there), the more we'll do it. When bicycling increases and driving decreases, emissions go down, traffic goes down, the health quotient of the populous goes up a tick, businesses like the neighborhood bike shop flourish, and so on. Win-win-win, etc.

But there may be a negative sociological side-effect. Call it bicyclist entitlement.

I'm talking about riding style, such as that which I saw from my window the other day. A rider crossed into traffic not caring whom he cut off, weaving across the street against the light, then through a crosswalk and in front of a car that had a green light to make a right turn. It was almost an "I dare you to hit me" move — stupidly perilous and arrogant, as well as inconsiderate.

It was clear from the way this gent handled his racing bike that he was a skilled rider. But know-how and a nice ride is no excuse for putting car drivers in a difficult situation. Rules of the road apply both ways, and automobiles are a reality in the traffic game. Yes, people are overly reliant on them, lazy, sometimes frivolous. Yes, we should have much better public transit. Yes, in general they should be smaller and run on electric or solar or hydrogen power. But these are all separate questions. Cars are part of the playing field, and they ain't going away in this lifetime.

The key is not to focus on the cars, but on the people. However we feel about automobiles, we bicyclists don't have to be jerks to the people driving them just because our mode of transpiration is (in a certain sense) a superior choice. Yes, they damn well need to yield to us; that doesn't mean our disregard should make it any harder for them to do so.

There are laws covering this stuff. Maybe some of those laws are ignorant. Maybe sometimes the police get caught up in the letter of the law and rather miss the spirit. Maybe the police chief can be a little mixed up in his priorities. Nonetheless, the civil libertarian that I am, some rules of the road are necessary and should be enforced.

But part of the point is that they shouldn't have to be enforced: The ones that matter we shouldn't be violating simply because there's a right way to ride. And I think we all know that some of our fellow riders regularly display a wanton disregard for that right way. I don't know that it's important for every rider to come to a complete stop at every stop sign every time; I do think that plenty of bicyclists commit
transgressions far beyond this level.

I imagine one of the ways in which the last 30 years or so will be regarded by future American sociological historians is that this has been an era of a specific kind of selfishness, an "I'm gonna get mine" combining with an abdication of personal responsibility. It's "South Park"'s Cartman's "Whateva! I do what I want!"

We bicyclists deserve much, all of which will help create a better community. This should not be understood to mean that we are above the herd. The human animal is mobile and multifarious, and we need to look out for both ourselves and our herdmates, just as we should be looking both ways before we cross the street.
 
Footnote

1Although I have yet actually to join the ranks (soon), for the purposes of this piece we're letting me have the "we" in the title: I'm a bicyclist. We're bicyclists.    

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Johnny Utah
...and that's why I go to remote places like OC's silverado canyon, etc to ride. The foolios on PCH take up the whole darn lane and yeah i honk at them and tell them things. I have 0 tolerance for idiots on the roadways.
JoeWeinstein
Good points, Greggory. Too many bikers - just like drivers - don't seem to know how to manage their vehicle or themselves. In fact locally most bikers (of all ages, but esp. among the younger) seem intent on demonstrating their idiocy, by not wearing helmets. And for its part City Hall seems to assume that being 'bike friendly' means not caring about such idiocy. Maybe the idea is that L B Memorial and St Mary and other ER's simply need more business.



John B. Greet
Nice article, Greggory. I greatly appreciate anyone who encourages and advocates for more awareness and responsibility on the part of *all* users of our public roadways. One correction, though. Your assertion that "(b)icycles have the right-of-way, end of story." Is not only inaccurate, but, a potentially dangerous inaccuracy, assuming every bicyclist who reads this story believes your assertion and chooses to act upon it. For example, when a bicyclist runs a red light or a stop sign, he or she no more has the "right of way" than does a motorist who commits the same violation. When a bicyclist rides on the sidewalk, he or she no more has the "right of way" than does a motorcyclist who commits the same violation. When a bicyclist is riding in one lane of traffic, and makes an unsafe lane change into another lane of traffic, he or she no more has the "right of way" than does a motorist who commits the same violation. I personally witness these sorts of violations of the rules of the road committed by bicyclists far more often than I see them committed by motorists and motorcyclists. I believe this happens because many bicyclists have a sense of purest entitlement about the use of our roadways and sidewalks. One last thing, I get that you feel we should all pollute less, but to classify bike riding as somehow "holier" (ecologically speaking) seems a bit of a stretch, even for you. I wonder why it is that some feel this innate need to frame their ecological arguments in religious terms? Could it be because it helps them to somehow feel more superior and more moral than others? I think so. What do you think?
Jack
I don't believe that bike have the right-of-way, per se. Under the Calif Vehicle Code, bicyclists have have the right to share the road with other vehicles, and must obey the general traffic laws. This is modified by special local bicycle rules that are clearly marked.
Camelia
I'm all for doing something good for us all, to pull together and be a community but this? so removed from reality, borders the ridiculous. For many years we had, for the most part, a careless bunch riding the bicycles - some, not many, considered the common sense safety and installed flickering lights on their bikes, wore fluorescent marked cloths, or at least brightly colored, but these were the few. The most, were careless and oblivious to traffic rules, road considerations, etc. Now, with all the political'feel good' stuff that's been done to our streets, we have the careless turned impertinent bunch riding the 'ecco' bicycles ....the other night, one lost control of his bike and hit a parked Toyota; our bicyclist didn't bother to check but got back on his bike and left like nothing happened - the big dent in the door and the deep scratches were left for the owner of the Toyota to deal with .... and shall I mention the traffic congestion the new bike lanes are generating on Third St and Broadway? that must be good for the air we breathe - and the tax money we spent for this nightmare instead of fixing some potholes, or clean some parks, or open some libraries ...and on, and on, and on ....
Clarissa
OMG it would be awesome if almost every cyclist I've spotted in the years I've lived in Long Beach would internalize the habit of STOPPING at stop signs, stop lights and looking both ways at intersection just as the REST OF US have to.

If I could do this while I was relying on a bike as my main mode of transport then everyone else on a bike can to. I have several memorable moments of almost hitting cyclists that don't stop at their end of the intersection when it's my turn to go. Having the right of way does NOT equal disregarding basic safety and courtesy!
Concerned
Bicyclists Have the Right-of-way!!!

I am glad you explained that Bicyclist do not have to obey the rules of the road.

Run red lights, run stop light, and turn infront of large vehicles & trucks.

I guess I need to get a bicycle so that the "RULES OF THE ROAD" can be ignored.
Harry
A bicycle is a vehicle and the laws apply to all vehicles including motorcycles, automobiles and trucks. "Green" is no excuse not to obey the law, including stop signs.
Above the Law in LB
That would be the bicyclists in LB.

They're not registered.

They are not ticketed for not stopping at lights or stopsigns or wantonly changing lanes.

Smugness by bicyclists is not a crime; but how about annoying?
Pedestrian
Bikes are supposed to be equiped with an alert system of some kind. Bell, horn, even your voice. When riding on the sidewalk (which you sould not do anyway) please ride at a safe speed and anounce yourselves when comming up behind a pedestrian. I have to dodge speeding bikes comming from behind regularly in downtown Long Beach. It doesn't matter how "green" you are, you are going to be black and blue after hitting the sidewalk when you crash into an unsupecting pedestrian with right of way on the sidewalk.
Pedestrian
Bicyclists do NOT have the right to blow through stop lights wihout stopping! I have been nearly hit many times when walking my dog as bicyclists blow through lights sometimes even yelling "Watch out!" as they do so. I'm completely sick of these lawbreakers! Pedestrians at stop signs and in crosswalks deserve to see these jerks stop! Believe me, if you ever hit me and injure me or my dog while breaking the law, I will sue you. Stop with the self rightiousness and obey the laws!
Sander
As you well know, both the City Manager and Police Chief have stated that no rider, or group of riders, is allowed to break State or municipal vehicle codes. The problem is selective enforcement, which is rampant, and egrigious. Riders who appear to be 'acceptable' are ignored, and riders who appear to be 'unacceptable' are targeted for police interaction. When the LBPD had the registration requirement in place, they could use it to stop any rider. Now, they have to look further to find an excuse. Still, some riders regularly break the law without any consequence, with the full awareness of both municipal leaders (elected and appointed) and the Police. We need to change the laws, or enforce them without favoritism.
Jon
Good article well said. Many cyclists need to learn to be more courteous and drivers that comment on this site need to ride a bike for transportation once in a while and stop being so lazy.
Empty
Has anyone noticed how many bikers are using the new bike lanes on Broadway and Atlantic Ave. In Bixby Knolls? ZERO! what a waste of taxpayer money!
Zero
Hey when is the last time you heard about a cyclist running a red light then plowing into a carload of people and killing them with the sheer force of his cycle?
John B. Greet
Greggory, your point is well taken that it really doesn't matter who is legally in the wrong when someone is killed or injured as a result of a motor vehicle v. bicycle-related collision. Your emphasis, however, seems backward. We tell our son this very thing all the time, but we say it to emphasize HIS responsibly to RIDE defensively. something far too few bicyclists ever assume personal responsibility for doing. We tell him that it wont matter if he was in the right, if he is grievously injured or killed. It will only matter to the lawyers and the insurance companies later on. So how about we suggest that everyone operate their preferred mode of transportation in a safe and defensive manner and suggest to everyone that NO ONE has the right of way when they are operating their preferred vehicle unsafely or unlawfully. Hmm?
Frustrated
Is this story a joke? Bikes have the right of way? We bicyclists deserve much? Drivers of gas powered vehicles should be deferential to bikers? I don't know whether it's important for every rider to come to a complete stop at a stop sign every time?



The only conclusion reached from reading this nonsensical essay is that Mr. Moore is yet another arrogant biker who believes he should be given preference over those for whom the roads and the sidewalks were designed.



How much money have we wasted on the Broadway and 3rd Street and Belmont Shore bike lanes that are little used in my observation? How about the businesses that will die because the traffic flow and parking have cut off access to the stores along those streets? Now that we have bike lanes, are the bikers going to be banned from sidewalks and the roads within 4 or 5 blocks away from the bike lanes?



As to being deferential, when I'm on the freeway, I don't demand the right of way from a semi that is much larger than me and has more and larger blindspots, and the bike shouldn't expect that it can dodge through and around traffic and that a car driving 30 mph will just stop. I'm tired of having to swerve as they come out of my blind spot between two lanes on the road or to slam on my brakes while turning because a biker doesn't deem it appropriate to stop and look when crossing a street. I'm also tired of having to jump out of the way as a bike comes up behind me on the sidewalk without warning, or two bikes come toward me and play a game of chicken until I have to move onto the grass.



Until the bikers can learn to co-exist and learn the rules of the road, they shouldn't ride. Perhaps they should be licensed. Perhaps the city can recoup some of the money spent on unused bike lanes by ticketing bikers who are violating traffic laws. Perhaps, since we have made special arrangements for the bikes on the streets, we can ban them from the sidewalks. Perhaps these "holy" people can be held to the same standard as those who use unholy means of getting to work 35 miles away.



Just some thoughts that "we" might consider.
LBGirl
Pedestrians have the right of way, period. Even a 2nd grader knows that. Long Beach has the worst bicycle culture in California, not matter what they try to claim. I spent many years riding in the Redondo/Torrance area where cyclist knew to stop at intersections, ride on the right side of the street, and stay off the sidewalk. Cyclist in Long Beach deserve all the hostility that is aimed towards them. You guys suck.
kryzs
The law is the same for all on the road. I ride a bike. I never try to blow stops or lights. I'm light and really don't want a tattoo of a windsheild in my head.

My fellow riders seem to try to rule the road. GOOD LUCK with that.

I still say a fast moveing chevy will #@%&* you up. But hey just keep ruling the road . I will send flowers.
Greggory
To clarify for those who misunderstood, I am NOT saying that legally bicyclists have the right-of-way in every situation, merely that when you combine the laws with bicyclists' inherent vulnerability on the roadways, bicyclists must be treated as if they DO have the right-of-way in every situation (as with pedestrians), because keeping people from getting hurt is more important than who's right in the eyes of the law. Driving defensively must mean more than keeping your car free of dents.
John B. Greet
Sander: I was really hoping you would show at the recent "Beer & Politics" forum -held at Nino's in Bixby Knolls- and confront Mr. West directly with your concerns in this area. What an excellent opportunity you missed!
Dan
The reality is nobody owns the road. What is provided is a right-of-way protocol, which is basically a priority queue. The protocol is base on a couple of simple rules like: first-come first-served; and yielding to the right. The real issue is when and how to apply them.

When traveling down a highway the person in the front has priority (right-of-way). No matter the mode of travel, or how stupid one thinks their behavior is, the trailing vehicle must exercise caution and yield. When at a 4-way or uncontrolled intersectionâ€'the vehicle that arrived first has the right-of-way, because the other vehicle has not come to a complete stop. If two or thee vehicles arrive simultaneously control is passed to the right; however, a vehicle making a left will always yield to an oncoming vehicle. At such times, and if by chance four vehicles arrive at once, common sense is in order and this should be easily sorted out.

What is not the case, as with maritime law, one yield to the slower vehicle. Nevertheless, it is logical to exercise caution when passing or operating a faster or even larger vehicle. I can tell from living in an area where there is a lot of delivery truck traffic this is frequently (but not necessarily too often) the case. Since large trucks often accelerate slowly but can roll very fast, (especially large semis), such vehicles operate at a different rhythm.

For me this is the crux of the issue that evades most traffic planners. Multimodal roadways will always present a problem because of theses inherent rhythms. Nevertheless, while trucks, buses, and taxis each operate at a distinct rhythm (as opposed to passenger cars), the rhythm of human powered transport is decidedly different. Segregation is difficult and presents its own set of issues. Outside of outlawing human power transport everyone must understand and take into account how these natural rhythms interact. Of course mistakes will be made and accidents will occur. Nonetheless, accidents can be minimized in occurrence and severity if we all behave with some mutual understanding, sans the superiority complex.
lg
@single speedster- so because you ride a hipster bike with no brakes everyone is just supposed to yield to you? that's got to be the most "entitlement" attitude i've seen in a long long time. grow up and get some brakes and stop making the entire traffic world bow to your narcissism...
FedupinLB
Bicyclists in Calif are subject to the same laws and regulations as cars.http://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/brochures/fast_facts/ffdl37.htm....When will thgey be subject to the insurance laws as well?
Bike to work
Great article. I'm both a cyclist and a driver. My experience as a cyclist is that it doesn't matter if I'm obeying the rules of the road - I still get honked at, sworn at and generally disregarded as cars insist on sharing the lane when passing me instead of going safely around me. I'll add that I see more cars roll through stop signs while I'm out cycling than ANYONE will care to admit. Cars are as careless on the roads as bikes - they just won't admit it - not even in traffic court.

In response to John B. Greet: is there any question that cycling is "holier" from an ecological perspective? I don't know what bikes you're seeing, but mine doesn't have a tail pipe. Show me a car without a tail pipe and I will agree that bikes are no better for the environment than cars.

Single Speedzter
I don't really think people realize how hard it is to negotiate traffic stops and stop signs "legally." I ride a fixed single gear bike without the use of breaks. I basically can't stop or if I do my single gearing makes it arduous to get up to speed again. Give me a break autodriverz!
Dave in Alamitos Beach
Here's my latest experience with a bicyclist as an example: I was stopped at the intersection of 3rd & Junipero. There were no cars or bikes at any of the other stop signs. I pulled into the intersection and a woman on a bike ran her stop sign and rode directly into the intersection just a couple of feet from my front bumper. I honked to warn her that I was there, and I was met with the obscene gesture and a friendly "F*&# You, As&*#ole." Nice.



A few more experiences like that and I'll change from being pro-bicycle to an angry curmudgeon like everyone else.
John B. Greet
@single: Really? So because you make the conscious choice to own and operate a bicycle that has no brakes, motor vehicle drivers should just kind of understand when you fail to abide by the rules of the road that apply to you? Really?
Jon
All you drivers are just frustrated you have to spend a ridiculous amount of your income on your cars only to sit in traffic caused by too many cars. Are you really stupid enough to think that traffic is being caused by bikes? Get out of your car and ride a bike for short trips, you'll love it.
FedupinLB
No wonder I'm Fedup. Speedzter, is it really anyone else's problem that you choose to ride a single speed bike with no "BRAKES"? Dealing with some of the people who respond to these posts is just to much.

Dan...Sounds like you are talking common sense, which seems to be lacking here.

LBGirl...Thank you so much. Well put.

Greggory.. Bicyclists DO NOT have to be treated as if they have the right of way simply because they are exposed. Common sense dictates that they should be much more careful because of it. There we go talking common sense again, how foolish of me.
Scott
The California Vehicle Code allows cyclists to have full access to the road, like a motorist, when certain conditions apply.

Yes, many cyclists don't properly follow the rules of the road but neither do many motorists. There are most likely more motorists speeding, talking on the phone, texting, etc than there are cyclists running stop signs. Both are annoying and unsafe. A lot of people do things wrong that can put others in danger.

We are all just road users in a city we all live in. Sure I like the cycling infrastructure that is being built, but I think an important step for the City to be more 'bike friendly' is in education. I think cyclists and motorists need to be informed better about what a cyclists rights are and how they should use the road. I agree that there needs to be an end to the mentality of some bike riders that 'I'm on a bike and can do whatever I want, when I want.' I agree that bikes should not be on the sidewalk, and many don't even know that it is illegal to ride a bike on the sidewalk in business districts, on bridges, along the bluff, etc. Look it up in the Municipal Code. Nothing is done about it, so many people don't know or care. The Long Beach Guides shouldn't be allowed to ride on the sidewalk either.

Everybody needs to follow the rules of the road better, pay attention more, share the road, and all be good road users.

Greggory, when you do decide to be part of the 'we', I recommend taking the Traffic Skills courses that are given every month. (And anyone else that hasn't taken the course.)

http://longbeachcyclists.com/education-traffic-skills-101/

And Single Speedster, that is just a stupid and poor argument. You choose to ride a bike that is more difficult to stop and get moving again. Either suck it up and learn how to slow down at the intersections and put effort into speeding back up again, or buy a different bike.
Theo
There is also a lot of hate towards cyclists just because they are in better shape and health than most car operators. Its that whole "ugly girls hate the cute girls" but with cars vs bikes. This horrible obesity epidemic is largely the fault of the car culture where people get no exercise. I guess when you have type 2 diabetes and you cant get a date you'd be a player hater towards the muscle man bike rider.

LB Native
I ride everyday to and from work. I appreciate the efforts of LB has done to accommodate for us to ride a little safer on the streets. Everything people are complaining about is regarding peoples attitudes and not bike etiquette. You put these same people in cars and they are the ones cutting you off blowing through the red lights ect. Off of the subject though and something on my mind is WINDOW TINT... I was going to speak at the last City Council Meeting this week regarding the flagrant violation of tint on vehicles. Count them up, at least 1 in 10 newer cars have tint on the front windows, and maybe 1 in 15 you cant see the driver's face. I have a very hard decision riding myself in front of a vehicle that I can not see the driver. WHY IS THIS NOT ENFORCED IN LB? Please comment if I am off line with this.
Anacondor
I've been riding a bike here in LB for more than 30 years, and during that time developed "my own" pathways to get where I need to go. I am happy that cyclists are gaining better treatment by the city, but the whole "sharrows" concept along Second Street through Belmont Shore is perhaps the most absurd thing I have ever encountered. The two main problems The Shore has (apart from exorbitant rents) are parking and traffic congestion, and this pie-in-the-sky paint-the-streets-green pidea is completely out of touch with the real needs of the community. It's not us vs them, bikes vs cars, it's all of us trying to get along together, and all that green paint is no more than a waste of precious budget.
biker
camelia: The money for the bike lanes is federal money that could NOT be used for parks or bicycles. Also, the small impact (about one light cycle) on traffic still doesnt come close to capacity on those streets. We dont even have a real rush hour in long beach! Have you been to LA lately? Count your blessings - and educate yourself!
guided by science
1. Weird how we dont hear anyone criticizing bad DRIVERS here, as if bikers as a group are scofflaws, but motorists are so obedient. I see multiple cars break multiple laws EVERYTIME I get in my car and drive the short 2 mile commute to work. And cars breaking laws KILL PEOPLE, bikes rarely do.



2. Greggory: hydrogen cars? Puh-leeze. Go do some research. Hydrgoen has ZERO potential as an alternative energy, as it does not exist on earth, except inside water, and separating it from its oxygen takes mroe energy than it can then produce. IN other words, it's a losing proposition - unless you have a way to mine the sun?



Greggory
For the ironically-selfnamed "guided by science": http://articles.cnn.com/2007-09-18/tech/driving.iceland_1_electricity-and-hot-water-fuel-cell-icelanders?_s=PM:TECH. That's only one of about, I dunno, hundreds of articles you can find on the subject. Did you actually do any research before telling me to do some research?
John B. Greet
Greggory: I have been following the hydrogen vehicle efforts in Iceland (and in Hawaii) and I give them a both great deal of credit for their innovation and efforts in this area. But to be fair, the technology has just not yet been developed to the degree that it needs to be to make hydrogen-fueled vehicles a viable replacement for all or even most fossil-fueled vehicles. The fact remains that there is just no other alternative technology currently available that can power our vehicles (air, sea, or land) as efficiently and as inexpensively as fossil fuels. Perhaps one day this will change. But that day is not this day, and we need to approach our energy needs within the *broadest* spectrum possible. Like it or don't, that spectrum still includes fossil fuels and will include them for a long, long time still to come.
FedupinLB
guided by science.....Hydrogen fuel cells are being used to supply electricity as well as heat to power entire super markets (Albertsons is the first) as well as many vehicles...see http://www.utcpower.com/. So maybe this is alternative...hmmmm.
guided by science
Greggory, that article changes nothing. I've seen a hundred like it, they dont speak to my point. The fact is, you still have to produce the electricity to free the hydrogen. If you have a clean source of electricity, then you can do - but it's not the most efficient way to use clean electric energy to power cars. Still, the point is that we don't have a good way to produce electricity cleanly in that volume.



Good summary at wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_economy#Efficiency_as_an_automotive_fuel
guided by more science
and there's this good explanation



http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jun/23/automotive.usa
sided by guidance
"Electric cars - and plug-in hybrid cars - have an enormous advantage over hydrogen fuel-cell vehicles in utilising low-carbon electricity. That is because of the inherent inefficiency of the entire hydrogen fuelling process, from generating the hydrogen with that electricity to transporting this diffuse gas long distances, getting the hydrogen in the car, and then running it through a fuel cell - all for the purpose of converting the hydrogen back into electricity to drive the same exact electric motor you'll find in an electric car.



The total power-plant-to-wheels efficiency with which a hydrogen fuel-cell vehicle is likely to utilise low-carbon electricity is 20-25% - and the process requires purchasing several expensive pieces of hardware, including the electrolyser and delivery infrastructure. The total efficiency of simply charging an onboard battery with the original low-carbon electricity, and then discharging the battery to run the electric motor in an electric car or plug-in, however, is 75-80%. That is, an electric car will travel three to four times farther on a kilowatt-hour of renewable or nuclear power than a hydrogen fuel-cell vehicle will.



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scientist still
fedup in LB: And as I said, you still have to free the hydrogen. What part of "there is no source of free hydrogen on earth" dont you understand. From the site you've posted: "Since a hydrogen delivery infrastructure is not yet widespread, fuel cell systems often use a fuel reformer or fuel processor that extracts hydrogen from hydrocarbons, such as natural gas or methane gas produced in wastewater treatment plants. "



Ie: Once the hydrogen is freed, yes, this is zero emission - very efficient. BUT THE EQUATION HAS TO INCLUDE THE ORIGINAL PRODUCTION OF THE HYDROGEN, which ALWAYS uses more energy than it produced. It's ass backwards and a big scam. Simple math.



MR GREET: You're right, which is why conservation is all that can save civilization.



HO HO HO
Hydrogen Production Quick Facts

4 The U.S. currently produces over 9 million tons of hydrogen

annually, mostly for use in petroleum refining and fertilizer

production. That's enough to fuel more than 34 million cars.

4 Natural gas is an important resource for near-term hydrogen

production â€' it has a high hydrogen-to-carbon ratio (it emits

less CO2 compared to other hydrocarbons) and an existing

pipeline delivery infrastructure. But there is a limited supply

of natural gas so large-scale production of hydrogen from

natural gas is not considered a long-term option.

4 It takes energy to produce hydrogen â€' but producing any

fuel, even gasoline, requires energy. On a 'well-to-wheels'

basis, however, accounting for the full fuel cycle from

energy source to production to end-use, fuel cell vehicles

running on hydrogen produced from natural gas would use

less energy and emit less carbon than both gasoline hybrid

electric vehicles and conventional internal combustion

engine vehicles. Source: A.D. Little, Inc. Guidance for

Transportation Technologies, pp. 59 and 61

4 It is estimated that using natural gas to produce hydrogen

in the near term would increase overall U.S. natural gas

consumption by less than three percent.

4 The United States has more proven coal reserves than any

other country in the world. FutureGen is a 10-year, $1-billion

initiative to demonstrate the world's first coal-based, nearzero

atmospheric emissions powerplant to produce

electricity and hydrogen.

See www.fossil.energy.gov/futuregen

4 DOE's Nuclear Hydrogen Initiative conducts research and

development focused on hydrogen production technologies

that can be coupled to next generation nuclear reactors.

See www.ne.doe.gov/hydrogen/hydrogenOV.html

4 Today, the United States has more than 6,300 megawatts

(MW) of wind generating capacity and 80,000 MW of

hydropower generating capacity, which can contribute

to creating electricity for hydrogen production.

Source: www.eere.energy.gov/windandhydro

4 Biomass â€' which includes agriculture crop residues, forest

residues, special crops that can be grown specifically for

energy use, and organic municipal solid waste â€' supplies

approximately four percent of the total energy produced in

the United States.

Source: www.eere.energy.gov/biomass/biomass_today.html
Hi, Dro
http://www.iea.org/techno/essentials5.pdf



Under less

optimistic assumptions regarding technology and CO2

reduction policies, H2 is unlikely to gain significant

market share as alternative fuel and technology options

(biofuels, Fischer-Tropsch synfuels, hybrids, batteryelectric

vehicles, etc.) could play a more important role

in future.

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