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To Remove A Freeway In Long Beach

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Shoreline Drive in downtown Long Beach

8:15am | The Institute of Transportation and Development Policy, an international planning think tank, recently commissioned ten architects to create bold visions for the world’s cities, to imagine a planet no longer dominated by the automobile. This “Our Cities, Ourselves” initiative included Michael Sorkin’s design concept for lower Manhattan. Sorkin envisioned replacing the Franklin Delano Roosevelt Drive ring road (also known as the FDR Freeway) with open space, bike paths, and ecological restoration. (New York Mayor Bloomberg’s administration is not taking the concept seriously.) Meanwhile, one of three options under consideration by the New York State Department of Transportation for the Sheridan Freeway is “remapping” this 1¼-mile-length of underused asphalt blocking the Hunts Point neighborhood from the Bronx River—in other words, removing it altogether. This would not only get rid of an obstruction between this community and its waterfront; the land made available would be used for private development, new open space, and other public amenities.

This South Bronx neighborhood joins a growing number of communities working to remove counterproductive infrastructure. While thousands of miles of freeways are still being created around the world, select cities, in response to evolving priorities and transportation needs, are repurposing some of these transportation corridors for other uses. From Milwaukee, Wisconsin to Seoul, South Korea, amazing transformations are taking place as freeways are transformed into parks, schools, and development opportunities.

At first glance, it can sometimes be hard to know if a freeway is unnecessary. One of the most famous examples of this dilemma involved the removal of San Francisco’s Embarcadero Freeway after its partial collapse during the Loma Prieta Earthquake of 1989. This freeway was largely deemed indispensable before the quake; indeed, in 1985 residents voted against removing the freeway for fear of causing massive gridlock in the surrounding community. But when the freeway was closed after the quake, traffic shifted to the adjoining street network. While this initially caused gridlock, it gradually eased. It was then decided to permanently remove the freeway, creating value for adjacent neighborhoods with a multi-modal boulevard flanked by a range of street activities and open space.

The experience of San Francisco, alongside other successful examples of freeway removal in places like Portland and Toronto, have fueled efforts to pursue similar opportunities in cities like Seattle, New Orleans, and Washington, DC. In Southern California, the “Land of Freeways,” there are currently few examples of such vocal advocacy, but not for lack of potential opportunities. According to a 1958 master plan, Los Angeles was to have a dense grid of freeways expanding on the existing system, to include a Beverly Hills Freeway, extending the 91 Freeway into the South Bay, and converting Pacific Coast Highway into a freeway connecting coastal cities from Santa Monica to Orange County.

The fact that these additional freeways went unrealized (for good or ill) has rendered other portions of the system less necessary. For instance, as the I-710 Freeway travels over the Los Angeles River into downtown Long Beach, it becomes Shoreline Drive, a name alluding to a more scenic experience along the waterfront. Shoreline Drive weaves through downtown, leaving parking lots and other remnant spaces in its wake. Aside from its terminus at the intersection with Ocean Boulevard and Alamitos Avenue, there is never enough traffic to warrant either its width of over 120 feet, or the various off-ramps, on-ramps, and overpasses that currently restrict pedestrian access to the waterfront.

We thus are presented with an opportunity to reconfigure Shoreline Drive into a beautifully landscaped multi-purpose boulevard along the lines of San Francisco’s renewed Embarcadero. Shoreline Drive could become a marquee address like Pine Avenue and Ocean Boulevard, featuring buildings that contribute to its vibrancy—rather than buildings that turn their backs to it, as is now the case with complexes like the Pike and the California State University’s Chancellor Building . Transforming interchanges into vibrant intersections could spur needed economic development along the waterfront. A rejuvenated Shoreline Drive with active open spaces and engaging buildings would represent a more appropriate welcome for visitors, workers, and residents.

Other opportunities exist for freeway removal in Long Beach. The Terminal Island Freeway (I-103) spans 2½ miles from the Port of Long Beach to the Union Pacific Railroad facility on Willow Street. The primary purpose of the freeway has been to move freight from the port to rail yards to the north. It was originally intended to extend to Union Station, fifteen miles north, before the Alameda Transportation Corridor was built less than a mile west. Developing the 20-mile-long Alameda Corridor has thus made extending the Terminal Island Freeway unnecessary, and is beginning to make the existing length redundant. In addition, proposed creation of an expressway between Ocean Boulevard and Alameda Street would shift much of the remaining traffic from the Terminal Island Freeway. At the same time, the Union Pacific Railroad proposes modernizing their Intermodal Container Transfer Facility (ICTF) moving their primary entrance from Willow Street to Alameda Street.

The two infrastructure projects will make the northern half of the Terminal Island Freeway largely unnecessary. Foreseeing this redundancy, the state has already transferred ownership of this northern one-mile portion of the Terminal Island Freeway to Long Beach. Removing this segment of underused freeway altogether would yield nearly three dozen acres of park space along the western edge of the city, creating an open-space buffer between existing residential neighborhoods and school campuses, and the port complex and refineries to the west.

The time is right to open a serious conversation about both Shoreline Drive and the Terminal Island Freeway. The I-710 Freeway is currently being studied for possible expansion, including realigning the freeway (and thus Shoreline Drive) as it travels through Cesar Chavez Park toward downtown. The realignment of port-serving infrastructure has created the opportunity to replace the city-owned portion of the Terminal Island Freeway with a vibrant, inviting urban landscape. These projects are all undergoing environmental review, and their approval could be assisted by proposals to repurpose the space left by removing underused freeways. It is precisely through such creative transformations of our “built-out” environment that we can create a Long Beach with greater economic development, pedestrian life, and open space.

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Newsy
What about the Grand Prix?
Brian U
Good question. The waterfront needs to be designed for more than two weekends a year. Read this from a little back.
http://www.lbpost.com/brian/2244
LBResident1
What about the traffic related to events at the Convention Center?
Paul A
Bad idea. Just leave it there. I drive it, and I don't want to wait for a street car, which will end up being a money losing, taxpayer subsidized sink hole, just like every other public rail project. What is it with municipal governments' fascination with rail projects large or small that can NEVER pay for themselves without taxpayer subsidy?!
Mr Alamitos Heights
Absolutely a great idea! Shore line drive is not what it sounds like. It's basically a wall between downtown and the ocean. I don't care how many pedestrian overpasses there is, it is not an appealing walk from downtown to the ocean.
As far as the Grand Prix is concerned, bring back the Formula 1 cars!
realistic
How are you going to pay for this change
Carina Marano
I wouldn't mind re-purposing either shorline drive or the end of the 710 as long as there was access to the 710 from downtown, as it's the only freeway link close by to the area. and with broadway and 3rd each losing a lane, i'd want to make sure there was still plenty of access to the freeway.

i'd also like to see some improvement to access to the east freeway of the 605/405. 7th street is a nightmare to traverse at almost any time of the day. i'd love to see some improvement to the traffic flow there.
JL
The great thing about shoreline drive is that traffic actually moves. Why have we accepted slow driving and gridlock as the norm? Shoreline eases the already heavy traffic through through downtown on Ocean blvd. during rush hour and weekends.
Keith
The time is right to start a discussion and action on a plan to best use this hallmark entrance to our fair city.

Unfortunately, the Pike is clearly not living up to its potential or expectation. This becomes painfully clear when someone like myself (and most of my friends) rarely, if ever, thinks of shopping in Long Beach for major purchases such as clothes, automobiles and furniture.

Someday, we may be lucky enough for this dynamic to change and we return to thinking "buy Long Beach" once again. This dramatic "sea change" will clearly take a major commitment on behalf of a city council with a solid "vision" for the future of this city. It certainly won't happen on its own or by accident!
STOP SPENDING
What money tree is going to fund this monstrous project??? The city doesn't have any money, therefore, the time is wrong, most definitely not right.
Daniel T
Part of the problem with Shoreline is that two of the bigger attractions â€' the Aquarium and the Catalina Terminal â€' aren't even visible from the street. Other than improving signage and access/entrances, I'm not sure what to do about that, either. Visibility/signage for Shoreline Village, Downtown Marina, and the beach access are similarly obscured. What you can see easily are the struggling Pike and the chain restaurants across the street.

The simplest area for improvement would be the Arena parking lot (when is that ever full?) and the green across the street, but again, only if it plays up the fact that there's a marina and beach RIGHT THERE.

The most intriguing section to me is between I-710 and Ocean. What about realigning/sinking the roadway and creating a true riverfront park (tying into Chavez Park)?
Barbara
We keep hearing the city is broke but when you hear about schemes such as this one where building would be done on land that is already under litigation, it makes you wonder about the real forces are behind it - private developers probably, who have already built hundreds of boxy condos that can't possibly be filled but really have caused a glut on our skyline.

While it does appear that as a roadway, Shoreline appears under utilized (except for the Grand Prix). Makes more sense to me to use the money for correction of the badly designed and limited access to the area on the other side of the bay, i.e., Queen Mary, Maya Hotel, Reef, etc. Now that would make sense!

Barbara
coleyb
As someone who works at the Chancellor's Office, let me say that our building doesn't "turn its back" to Shoreline. Rather, we face both the water AND Shoreline with windows on both sides of our 6-story building that allows views both of downtown and the water, QM, Catalina Landing, etc. We made pretty good use of our space and park area that is used not only by our employees, but by those visiting in the neighboring RV park. I also agree with JL - traffic moves well on the street coming and going from work, unlike on Ocean, Broadway, etc. Shoreline could use some better signage (and fewer chain restaurants!) and definitely bike lanes but fix it, don't tear it up.
oldesault
The only things south of Shoreline Drive is Rainbow Harbor, Shoreline Marina, Shoreline Village, the Aquarium a park and some restaurants at Pine Ave. The beach is accessible East of Alamitos. So what is Shoreline Drive blocking? Access to what? The area along (both North and South) Shoreline Drive is used much more than "two weekends a year". This weekend there are at least two activities; AVP volley ball and gourmet roach coaches.
alamitos heights resident
Where are they going to get the money to do this? I certainly hope that funding for education will not be compromised for this project.
Juan Pardell
It really depends on the location. First, the removal of the 280 freeway in downtown San Francisco was because of the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake. It opened up the shoreline area to new developments. However, many of those new projects were forecast prior to that event.
Second, the SF Giants did build their new stadium along the waterfront. In addition, many other projects followed.
Now, will this work in Long Beach? Probably not. When you reach the end of the 710 freeway, where is there to go? Most successful oceanfront cities were developed with components that were inviting to the public. In other words, there are reasons for people to visit. Downtown Long Beach offers no reason for the masses to consistently visit that area. That issue needs to be resolved before undertaking an expensive proporal such as reconfiguing Shoreline Dr.
Love 2 Drive
Oh, yes, that's right - getting the traffic moving is the only point of having a street. Especially in a place that is perpetually sunny, with a gorgeous shoreline and a not-too-bad-looking skyline. All I want to do is drive fast fast fast like in a car commercial. I certainly do NOT want to stroll, look at the water, sit in a sidewalk cafe, or ride my bike for pleasure or transportation in an environment built to human scale because I *love my SUV* and that yummy BP oil. America! Rock on!
ScarlettB
Obviously some people are upset with change, especially the kind that requires to demolish certain areas and reconstruct them. However, this type of change would be best in the long term scheme of things for the City of Long Beach. The "walking area" to reach the beach near The Pike & Shoreline Village is not pedestrian friendly, at all. I made that trek earlier this summer trying to find my way to the Aquarium, and as local, it was horrendous. To reply to Oldesault: the area isn't being used as often as it could be, specifically because it is not pedestrian friendly.
Me Oh My
In my opinion, while developers may fill campaign coffers and get changes to happen, people will not flock to the area unless a high-speed road goes from downtown Long Beach through Belmont to the 405. That way there is dual access instead of just the 710 today.

No, I don't want a high-speed road through Belmont. I'm just saying.

Of course, if future Vice Mayor Lowenthal gets her way, we'd all be on a trolley singing Kum Ba Yah.
ScarlettB
Why is public transportation or a high speed train considered to be a "hippie idea?" Less pollution, less traffic, more people getting to places more easily. These are all common sense ideas people.
Dave in Alamitos Beach
I don't know if I really care about the Terminal Island freeway thing because that whole area is an esthetic nightmare and it's relatively isolated. ;-) But I have strong feelings about Shoreline Drive because that too is esthetically awful and could be so much more. All that asphalt and all that speeding traffic is really unnecessary. I've seen streets be brought back from "freeway light" to pedestrian friendly even in Southern California. Santa Monica Blvd. through West Hollwyood comes to mind, as does the main drag through Culver City. It really doesn't take all that much - fewer lanes, bigger sidewalks, double rows of street trees, etc. There's no reason that cars should come before residents. And as for where are we going to get the money, clearly if this happens, it will be several years from now.
rick
This idea is just about as smart as the green line in Belmont Shore and a trolley down 7th Street. The council should spend their time figuring out the budget and how to solve the deficit.
Parks
One does not need an international institute to do Long Beach. A major California university has done about 20 years ago at no cost, and will do it again if requested. Make Pine Avenue 'one-way" from Anaheim St to Shoreline Dr. A lack of vision for east/west traffic through Long Beach is a serious omission. Thirty five-forty five thousand cars travel through Long Beach each day, and there is no attempt to attract some of that traffic south to spend dollars in our city. Complete the original traffic circle design for better traffic movement. Design the "iron triangle" at 7th (as an underpath roadway), Bellflower and PCH (with CalTrans participating in the costs). All east/west barriers between 7th and Willow Sts. (caused by the Blue Line) should be reopened as it was during the Red Car days. Businesses could be re-established and public safety access (police and fire) would be re-enhanced. Shoreline Drive (as originally planned was a good idea. Terminal Island roadway is not a freeway because it does not conform to CalTrans freeway policies. Re-establish the old Red Car roadway from North/West to South/East. Eliminate the businesses destroyed by creation of the political loop of the blue line in downtown Long Beach and re-establish the Ocean Avenue terminus. (More later)
That_LB_Guy
I was just in SF Yesterday. The Embarcadero is absolutely wonderful. As I was walking down, I was thinking how great it would be for Long Beach to have a gathering point for residents, visitors, conventioneers, etc. Miami has South Beach, SF has the aforementioned Embarcadero, Chicago has the Miracle Mile. Why shouldn't Long Beach have a destination in Shoreline Drive? Heck, get the designer of Navy Pier or Jacksonville Landing (FL) to come and revamp the Pike or Shoreline, and instantly you have repurposed an area of LB that has been utilized totally for the wrong purpose!
Joe Weinstein
No harm in starting a conversation now, but there's yet another reason - in addition to all those given above - for caution before spending money to DO anything.

That reason is the likely sea-level rise from climate change - which now the US Senate has indicated they want to promote, not obstruct.

CA state agencies plus federal agencies are beginning a study, with results due within two years, that will give much more informed, accurate and reliable forecasts of sea-level rise, for dates as early as 2030.

Serious plans for ANY developments and investments in LB's lowlands and Lower East Side would do well to await and heed the study results.
CHARLIE
Nope - You build freeways, not tear them out. I was living in the Towers when they laid it in and what a God Send for fast moveing traffic through one end of town to the other; Whose bright idea is this stupedity? And of course you can kiss the Grand Prix, and all it generates, good bye!
Jon
I like a lot Brian's opinions but this won't work unless the Pike has more than just large boring chains. I'd welcome more green space, but as for development there are enough developed areas in the Downtown area that can simply be renovated or torn down and built a new. In fact they need to be. No reason to create more empty buildings in my opinion.
Paul
Instead of fill in, improvement to the area north of town needed to be done. This idea of preserving poor neighborhoods needs to be thrown out. The environment and almost all residents would benefit. Now that was what should have been done. If that area is improved, don't build any residential for our Housing Authority to move people in from other poor areas to be by the beach. Let economics work without us that live here always supporting expensive experiments.
sorrow
the way is clear? it is not possible today.
More Open Space!!!
As a current landscape architecture student I have spent much time studying successful open spaces as well as urban spaces and conducted a study on why the Pike is a dismal failure in what should be THE prime location in Long Beach. Ever wonder why Pine St is booming and vibrant with people spending money supporting our local businesses when the Pike and Harbor across the street with WATERFRONT businesses is usually a ghost town??? Start studying on this my fellow Long Beach neighbors--it is because a freeway runs through it!!! This 125 wide high speed concrete BOHEMITH is a ingering reminder that in southern CA we tend to worship our automobiles and not our community of people. Imagine if this freeway was transformed to a wonderful WALKING SPACE along our waterfront with a more human scale boulevard with street vendors and a vibrant economy like 1 Colorado in Pasadena, the 3rd St Promenade in Santa Monica, The Manhattan Beach Pier in Manhattan Beach, Belmont Shore in LONG BEACH, the Market in San Francisco, etc, etc, etc. This 125 wide high speed concrete DIVIDER bisects our community instead of CONNECTING it! Yes this project would cost a fortune, but it would be a continuation of the fantastic forward thinking, open minded progressive attitude of this excellent city that we live in and we an investment in the long term. Is is easy to get caught up in the old ways of thinking which led to the destruction of the Pike when is was once successful back in the early 20th century. How fantastic would it be to have some GREEN in downtown with a balanced economic business connection from Pine Ave to the Pike. A place where people want to go on Saturdays and SPEND MONEY and enjoy themselves. The Pine St/Pike area could become ONE CONNECTED AREA instead of two bisected areas...an area that could be listed proudly along side the San Francisco waterfront, the Rose Garden in Portland OR etc, etc. as a prime destination to visit. The Pike could be rebuilt to FACE the waterfront instead of turning its back to it. (Seriously...go down today on Shoreline Dr and notice that if this development was a "person" you'd be looking at its backside and not front. It turns its back on LB) It was designed this way because of the FREEWAY that runs through it!!! What a disgrace that this development had to be designed to turn its back on the view of the QUEEN MARY in the QUEEN CITY all because we have a freeway running through it. Not convinced yet...? Put a 125' wide high speed autobahn in your backyard and see how often you want to go and hang out there and visit your neighbors. This idea is brilliant!!! I'll gladly support it and can't wait to want to visit our waterfront and spend my hard earned money in my city of Long Beach, CA when out of town guests visit instead of driving on the 405 freeway to Manhattan Beach to enjoy myself. I love that LB is so forward thinking and working to breakdown the outdated community dividers of hate, racism and CONCRETE FREEWAYS!
Terrie
@stop Spending...I totally agree! I just read the article about how broke Long Beach is and how they are going to lay off all these police and firefighters. What in the heck are they talking about when they want to redesign freeways!! Give me a break. Pay our police and re-fund the fire department before you start talking about "open space" and all that fluff. Let those Police men keep their pensions!! Who the h*** is going to want to risk their lives everyday without some incentive??? If you are not going to provide a pension for police, what decent human being is even going to want to become a cop?? The economy will pick up one of these days..we have seen this before. Eveyone is panicing and thinking things will never get better. Not very encouraging. If it's all that bad, maybe we ought to just take a large dose of sleeping pills and forget about it!! Where's the optimism????
Pay those police and fire men first!! City beautification third or forth. We have to keep a lid on crime. Otherwise, I am thinking about just selling out and moving to freakin Idaho.
Rick
Yes, let's remove the best and fastest way to access areas that see a lot of traffic! What neighborhood isn't separated from the sea now except Belmont Shore?

Let's pull Ocean Blvd out too and all the houses back to PCH for some real greenspace while we're at it!

This smacks of another development as good as the Pike. What was the name of that sporting goods franchise that cost us a milliom - Bum wasn't it?

How about working on more jobs and cheaper business licenses, lower slip fees for boat owners (they aren't all rich like the city seems to think) and restaurant pricing more in line with the type of food and service provided as a way to bring business and people to this area.

The city wants and needs to increase its tax base through more development. This policy has failed so many times - how about the aquarium?

Let's not put our limited funds into more downtown development designed to benefit a few architects and developers that end up only producing a few minimum wage jobs.

Let's wait for a better idea or try to work with a system that really isn't broken - yet!

@Terrie
Creating more open space and beautifying the city increases property values/rent and prices out the rift raft so less polices services are needed.
Jon
I agree with Paul, I'm tired of having to pay my mortgage while others in the same neighborhood 500 feet from the sand get to live for free. I'm sure we can save a lot of money by providing Section 8 housing on cheaper land inland instead of right next the beach.
Terrie
I am sorry, but redesigning the downtown freeways seems like a pretty flambouant way of increasing property values when we have to lay off police! I think it's rediculous and I won't support it until the economy picks up. And I won't vote for any tax increase to fund any freeway project until the current bills can be paid. We all have to bite that bullet and live within our means. Whatever beautification project the City deems necessary now, can wait until they can pay those cops. Period.
thinking
As usual, the less people know, the more certain they are of their opinions. People: Money for schools (which DOES NOT COME FROM THE CITY GOVERNMENT!) is from an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT pot than money for police and fire, which is from an ENTIRELY DFIFERENT POT than highway and infrastructure money. Also, Brian doesnt work for the city, so reacting as if this idea is coming from "the city" is silly to say the least. ***Brian, you are right - shoreline in its current form is a clusterF&*^. It goes nowhere. It's barely used. It scares pedestrians and tourists away from some high-end attractions. It needs to be reconfigured to say the least. Seems like the reactions here, as usual, are all about "me me me" and what works for ME, instead of what's good for the city in the long term. Keep up the good thinking.
Henry
For the question of who is going to pay for this monstrous of project? The right answer may be that the same people that built the condominium complexes at south of Ocean Blvd. 'For private use'. What is not specific is the % of 'private use'. Developers would have a 'closed section' with city officials to gain the control of the use of that land. So if this project gets approved to be 're-vitalized' my first impression is that in the near future we will see 20-stories (plus) condominium complexes on both sides of the re-developed 'freeway'. This will pay for all the aspects of the re-development. And speaking of re-development, the RDA will give tax incentives to the developers once more. Always giving our money away to out-of-the city developers at exchange for re-election support.
Henry
For the question of who is going to pay for this monstrous of project? The right answer may be that the same people that built the condominium complexes at south of Ocean Blvd. 'For private use'. What is not specific is the % of 'private use'. Developers would have a 'closed section' with city officials to gain the control of the use of that land. So if this project gets approved to be 're-vitalized' my first impression is that in the near future we will see 20-stories (plus) condominium complexes on both sides of the re-developed 'freeway'. This will pay for all the aspects of the re-development. And speaking of re-development, the RDA will give tax incentives to the developers once more. Always giving our money away to out-of-the city developers at exchange for re-election support.
@Terrie
For the most part, police services are needed to deal with problems that have already taken place. But there is not a lot they can do to prevent them. Why not invest in things that prevent the problems from ever happening in the first place? It's the 1/10/100 rule. It takes $1 to prevent a problem, $10 to fix it, and $100 if nothing is done as the ramifications are felt over and over again.
PDQ
Brian -

You KNOW how the city would propose to pay for this, don't you? Increase the parking fees and have meters running 24/7 - that's how. Because it's worked so well already in the downtown area.

If access to the beach is what you want, why not just clear out everything below Ocean Blvd. and convert it back to a beach? No need for Shoreline Drive at all, no need for the Convention Center, Shoreline Village, the Aquarium. Just make it a beach.

Oh....but be sure to build in some parking structures so you can charge outrageous rates.
TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE!
Yeah that's what we need! Traffic isn't bad enough, let's get rid of major thoroughfares so we can jam things up even more!!!

Gotta love these looney Greenpeace libbers. Afraid of the free market, afraid of jobs, afraid to NOT spend money, and afraid of cars.

Hey I know, why don't we all just go back to riding horses?!?!

Hopeless Utopian
Gee I just can't fathom why we have all these stinking automobiles... riding bicycles and trolleys and trains is so much nicer!

Why can't we all just get along? Would it be THAT hard for all of us to just join hands and sing Kumbayah?!?! It would be SOOOO nice.

Well I for one, won't be happy until the world is rid of these nasty automobiles. CURSE the person whom invented them!!!!!!!!!!!!!! =-{

Eagle Eye
"open minded progressive attitude of this excellent city "

Please make it stop. Somebody shut these loons up. I'm getting a headache!!!

Eagle Eye
"I love that LB is so forward thinking and working to breakdown the outdated community dividers of hate, racism and CONCRETE FREEWAYS!"

Nice job. You worked all the liberal rhetoric arguing tactics in there, and tied them all together.

So let's see, NOW EVEN WANTING TO DRIVE A CAR OR USE A ROAD EQUATES TO RACISM????

Dave in Alamitos Beach
For some reason, the "system" did not post my comments from last week, so I'll try again. On Saturday night, I walked along this area from Alamitos down to the Pike. Even that street area is woeful. The street is huge, there is no easy way to walk along the street, i.e. small to no sidewalks. The Marina Green park is fenced off to pedestrians. In other words, who would want to come down here? When I got to Shoreline Village it was VERY crowded. Then when I went by the Pike, it was completely empty. Again, I'll just say, why don't they get rid of the streets that run through there and put in pedestrian walkways? It would help a little. As for the freeway in this area? Duh, take it out and put in a promenade. You don't even have to go to San Francisco to see changes. What about Santa Monica Blvd. in West Hollywood, or the new and improved main street through Culver City?

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