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UPDATED: Ban Smoking? Okay, But Be Fair

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UPDATE 2:40pm Monday | Just spoke with Linda Trang from the City Attorney's office, who posits that the intent of 8.68.120(A) as applying only to businesses. However, she acknowledges it could be read as broadly as I interpreted it—hence C, she says. In fact, Trang notes that without the addition of C, had someone been cited for smoking at (e.g.) a bus stop, the lack of signage might very well have proven a viable defense.

But if A is read broadly, the question of the City's responsibility remains open—more open than I'd thought considering the points Trang makes smoking bans in other public spaces (such as a bus stop).

I'm sure Trang's right about the intent of A. So perhaps this is an example of the spirit being more important than the letter of the law. You tell me. But doesn't the question of fairness—as well as effectiveness—remain?

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UPDATE 9:45am Monday |
Considering the absence of signage informing smokers of their lawbreaking, in the effort to make stick citations that Councilmember Schipske says police won't be writing, the proposed ordinance adds 8.68.120(C) to the Long Beach Municipal Code: "Notwithstanding this Section, the presence or absence of signs shall not be a defense to the violation of any other provision of this Chapter."

But the ordinance makes no change to Section 8.68.120(A)4, which states that "whenever in this Code smoking is prohibited, conspicuous signs shall be posted so stating, containing all capital lettering not less than one inch (1") in height on a contrasting background. It is the duty of the owner, operator, manager, or other persons having control of such room, building, workplace, or other place where smoking is prohibited"—in this case, the City itself—"to post such signs or to cause such signs to be posted."

What this means is that anywhere the City bans smoking without posting said signage, it will be committing an illegal act, violating one section of our municipal code by adding another—and then attempting to run an end-around5 the whole business by saying that the lack of required-by-law signage won't be a defense for anyone getting a ticket. (Not that anyone will be getting a ticket, we're told.)

Not convoluted enough for you? Consider, then, that one outdoor area where smoking is already prohibited is the beach (see 8.68.065)—and, comporting with the requirements of 8.68.120(A), there are 20 signs proximate to the beach informing people of this prohibition. So I have to ask: For the sake of consistency, will the City be removing these signs? If they don't, doesn't having such signage in some outdoor areas give rise to a reasonable expectation that where there isn't such signage smoking is permitted outdoors?

Speaking of reasonable expectations, unlike with smoking outdoors, fireworks are illegal in most California cities. That fact, combined with the nature of fireworks—which can be said to present at least some degree of immediate danger (as opposed to the more abstract, long-term danger of second-hand smoke)—means people have far less claim to a reasonable expectation of fireworks being allowed within city limits. And yet the City has posted plenty of "no fireworks" signs around town—21 proximate to the beach alone6.

So it looks to me like this ordinance fails to make the grade not only in terms of fairness, but also when it comes to consistency—two traits our city government should endeavor to kill off rather than promulgate, no matter what subject is on the table.

The proposed ordinance is slated for discussion at Tuesday's city council meeting, which begins at 5:00pm.

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10:00am October 22 | 
Let us imagine the fictional city of Los Diablos. Los Diablos has a gang problem. Two rival gangs, the Lemons and the Limes, are at war. The Lemons always outfit themselves in yellow shirts, the Limes in green. As a result, it's extremely easy for one group to identify the other group, and thus often clashes in public parks (where both groups like to hang) are commonplace.

The Los Diablos City Council comes up with an idea to reduce these clashes: they pass an ordinance prohibiting any group of three or more persons congregating in either yellow or green shirts. 

In the wake of this new ordinance, the City makes some effort to educate the residents of Los Diablos to this change in law, and temporary signage goes up here and there, but for budgetary reasons the City opts against putting up permanent signs. Fast-forward to a year later, and Robert Shannon and Mike Mais (from the City Attorney's office) and I (from here) decide to go on vacation together. Robert and Mike aren't sure if they're ready to go to Burning Man with me,  so they think Los Diablos might be a good test trip for us as a trio. 

It turns out get along like gangbusters, and we soon find that we share loves of both nature and wearing green. So one day we decide it would be a gas to venture out into Los Diablos' grand Pitchfork Park in our matching outfits. We're having a lovely day until a police officer approaches us. Pretty quickly he ascertains that we are not Limes; nonetheless, the law is the law, so over our protestations that we had no idea we were doing anything wrong (the temporary signs are long gone), he writes us tickets for $271 apiece.
The three of us leave Los Diablos with a bad aftertaste for the otherwise lovely city. We feel we should have at least gotten some sort of warning. We're inclined to take our case to court, to force the City to expend its resources defending what we feel is an unjust practice of targeting first-time offenders who had no knowledge of their offense, feeling that we can probably mount a defense on the grounds that, since it is by no means customary in most places for congregating-while-wearing-green to be against the law, we had a reasonable expectation that it was allowed, and that it was incumbent upon the City of Los Diablos to have made some effort to inform unsuspecting green-lovers like us that sitting in the park so attired was an infraction of law.

But we don't live very near Los Diablos, and so in the end we decide simply to tell our friends of our experience there, and to avoid a city that would treat out-of-towners so unjustly.

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In case you don't know, my extended metaphor is of the City of Long Beach's plan to ban smoking in pretty much all outdoor areas—and to allow law enforcement to ticket people for smoking even when there is no signage anywhere around letting them know that doing so is illegal. 
 
I am not a cigarette smoker, and I would love it if everybody quit. I am not someone who finds concerns about second-hand smoke dubious. I can't stand how a large percentage of cigarette smokers feel tossing their cigarette butts onto the pavement is some sort of justified littering. And even though as a civil libertarian I have some qualms about this ordinance, I can't get too worked up against it.

What bothers me is that on the face of it the way we're going about it does not completely avoid the appearance of being as much about filling our coffers as about public health. Hence the rationale for not installing permanent signage being purely economic.  

The ostensible goal of the ordinance is to get people not to smoke in public. Clearly, that end is best served if smokers are alerted to the fact that doing so is illegal. If they don't know, since in most places outside of Long Beach it's not illegal, people have a reasonable expectation that smoking is allowed outdoors if there's no indication that it's prohibited—and so they light up, and so second-hand smoke goes into the public air, until such point as a police officer sees and stops them. Signage would stop some people, of course. What the absence of signage does is allow for more second-hand smoke to get into the air, but also provides more opportunity for our City to make money off of it. 

What the law + absence of signage is guaranteed to do is create an unfair situation not only for uninformed residents but also for out-of-towners. The latter is potentially a very bad bit of fallout, because we all know the Long Beach economy desperately needs the city to be more of a destination for people from outlying areas, as well as an attractive tourist spot. Prey upon people's understandable nescience of this new law, and we may hurt ourselves on this front. (And even if it's just a little, I'm not sure how many tourist dollars Long Beach can afford to lose.)

How reasonable is the expectation of signage? Consider how many restaurants, cafes, etc., with outdoor patios—where smoking is not banned by state law—post "no smoking" signs, since (it can easily be argued) there's a reasonable expectation that, sans signage to the contrary, smoking is permissible outside. Thus can we imagine Sancho Smokesalot from San Salvador taking a postprandial stroll into the nearest park. He didn't smoke while dining al fresco because of the signage, but now there's nothing telling him he can't, and so he does. Does he really deserve to run the risk of a $271 fine?

Councilmember James Johnson raised just this complex of issues related to signage during discussion at the October 19th council meeting, then went on to tell of his discussions with City Attorney Robert Shannon concerning the option to cite people only at locations where there is signage—whether temporary or permanent—thus giving people an undeniably fair chance to comply with the law.

Vice-Mayor Suja Lowenthal's partial answer: "We have historically not depended on signs." Really? Then one has to wonder what Health and Human Services Director Ronald Arias meant when he said, "We don't have the money to make the nice signs that Parks and Rec normally does." The key there, of course, is "normally." As an example of that "normally," someone might have pointed out to Lowenthal how much signage there is around town informing people that they're required to clean up after their dogs. That signage is a great example of what Long Beach has done when its unadulterated aim is to deter a particular behavior: depend on signage.

Meanwhile, Councilmember Gerrie Schipske attempted to allay Johnson's concerns by saying that the proposed law "is not going to be enforced. Our police are not going to be out there ticketing people." Really? Then what possible objection could there be to Johnson's proposal that police only be allowed to issue citations where there is signage? I mean, if they're not going to be enforcing the law at all….

Look, it's easy to demonize cigarette smoking. It's no damn good for anybody (except the tobacco companies, natch), and it's perfectly reasonable for those of us who don't smoke not to want to be subjected—or have our children subjected—to the negative effects of smoking. So yeah, I get the ordinance. What I don't get—or more accurately, don't condone—is crafting the ordinance so that people are left open to being treated unfairly, especially when everyone agrees we would ensure everyone is treated fairly if we had more money. We should not try to instill our higher principles on the cheap. If this ordinance is worth doing, it's worth doing fairly.

Footnotes
1This continues a fantasy begun here of Shannon and Mais being Greggory fans and huddling together reading my Burning Man column.
 2No one seems to question that signage would be helpful, as all versions of implementation of the ordinance include the provision that permanent signs would eventually put up, even if only when old signage becomes so worn or damaged that it is to be replaced by new signage, anyway. 
3To bring home how central money appears to be here, the proposed law contains two exemptions: golf courses and public events. The only rationale given by city staff for exempting the latter is economic, while money was one of two reasons city staff gave for exempting golf courses. (Interestingly, Councilmember Robert Garcia spoke of his support for removing the exemption golf courses, but not public events.)
4Thanks to commenter John Greet for bringing this to my attention.
5In honor of the NFL season, my first ever football analogy on the Long Beach Post.
6These statistics regarding beach signage come by way of the City Manager's Office.


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Archived Comments (24)
Non-Smoker
@Greggory. DUI is not legal, but you don't see signs all over the freeways and city streets informing us you can't drink and drive.. why? because it become a norm, just like smoking in doors... soon no smoking in public areas will become a social norm and most of us will accept it!
manny
The metaphor is unnecessary. Just stick to the facts:People have long smoked in long beach parks. If there are no signs, how are they to know the law has changed? Watching channel 8? Reading the Press Telegram? Reading this column?

Let's be realistic.

manny
but nonsmoker: DUI has LONG been illegal, and there were MASSIVE public education campaigns around that.

On the other hand, smoking in long beach parks is, as of today, legal. Then one day, it will be, starting at midnight, illegal. So someone who has smoked in parks for 50 years will just suddenly be ticketed? That's not civil or fair.

Rejected in court
Which will explain why these will be thrown out of court as soon as an attorney gets his or her hands on it. Inadequate noticing.
Too Much Signage
Just a couple of observations:
1. Our of towners regularly ignore the signs to clean up after their pets and regularly ignore the dog park rules that are posted at the entrances of the parks.
2. Most areas can scarcely be seen these days due to the huge number of signs.
Maybe we need to file this under "Life isn't fair" and let it go at that.
CHARLIE
First it was smoking sections in restaurants, then they moved it to cocktale lounges only, then they moved it outdoors only,and now to the parks, and soon common areas no doubt - here's your government control again - Obama will love that; I'll tell you, the day they tell me I can't smoke in my car, or home, because the secondary smoke might seep out via the windows, under the doors or cracks in the walls, is the day that the doo doo is going to hit the fan!
Nobody, and I do mean nobody, is going to come into my car or home and tell me I can't have a Benson & Hegges with my scotch rocks, coffee or apple pie, NO ONE - That is where I'll draw the line and be prepared for all hell to break loose and be plummitted out of my car or home in unholy agoney...and that goes twice for liberals...
Tina
Excellent article Gregory!!
More of the "Nanny" state.
Pollution (trucks, cars, cycles,smogs) are much more hazardous that someone smoking in an open park. I do not smoke but the people I know who do are quite considerate and never toss their butts. Signage is imperative regardless of what our new vice-mayor says, (who has vices of her own).
John B. Greet
Greggory, for once we find a topic over which I seem more concerned about individual liberties than you seem to be! Who'd have thought it? Smoking should not have been banned in parks at all, except, perhaps, within a certain radius of designated playgrounds, sports fields, snack stands or skate parks (it's already prohibited in all city buildings, including park restrooms.) I'm not a smoker either and, like you, I would prefer if everyone quit smoking (although I would add "quit smoking *anything.*) But, so far, tobacco products are legally sold (except to minors) and legally used (except where banned) and government at all levels takes great pleasure in collecting millions and millions of dollars in tax revenues from this otherwise legal activity year after year. So why, when the only "yard" some people have is a public park, must we deprive them of a place *in* that park where they can sit on a bench or stroll along a pathway or lay on the grass or fish and legally puff away to their heart's content? As to the signage issue, I feel confident that absent appropriate signage placing violators on clear notice that smoking is unlawful, no citations will be issued because no prosecutions will be pursued because not being properly notified of such a prohibition is an affirmative defense in such cases. Most cops I know are incredbily busy at work and they are not inclined to waste their time issuing citations that are only going to be dismissed on this basis later. I'd encourage folks to take a look at and consider LBMC Section 8.68.120(A) - Posting of Signs Required, which states: "Except where other signs are required, whenever in this Code smoking is prohibited, conspicuous signs *shall* be posted so stating, containing all capital lettering not less than one inch (1") in height on a contrasting background. It is the *duty* of the owner, operator, manager, or other persons having control of such room, building, workplace, or *other place* where smoking is prohibited, to *post such signs or to cause such signs to be posted."*
city zen
all these people crying about this being big government are full of it. How about this: I like spitting, it's how I relax. I like to spit in the air, spit in a circle, spit on the sidewalk. Cool with that? Why not? What about spitters rights?

I guarantee you charlie opposes prop 19, too. So he's allowed to smoke tobacco wherever he wants - even ten feet from my three year old daughter - but i cant smoke pot, even out in the friggin mountains in my own house with not a human for a mile around.

signage? Gimme a break. One little no smoking section added to existing signs? Big deal.

the vast majority of people dont want to breath your nasty, irritating, cancer causing, smelly, annoying smoke when we're trying to get some fresh air under a treet with our kids. Go home!
Gary Shelton
Coupla problems pop right out a me. First...park "prohibition" signs put there by Parks & Rec already provide unreliable information. For example, they outlaw "Loiterting." Period. Sounds like it's against the rules to "hang around with nowhere to go." Who does that in our parks? Homeless people do. They're in a sense forced to be outside and in publid wherever they go, and parks are often where that is. But on closer inspection of the Parks & Rec signs, they refer to the LBMC which prohibits "Loitering for the purposes of prostitution or drug sales." That's quite a different activity than just hanging around with nowhere to go. But the folks who ARE just hanging around don't know that. So when "the man" comes along saying, "keep moving," the anti-loitering code seems to be the basis for his orders.

Same thing with a law against smoking in city parks. Most of the targets of its enforcement will be the people who spend the most time IN the parks--the homeless people. And these are the same people who, for better or worse, rely on their cigarettes as the one thing that grounds them, keeps them calmed and connected to their life-patterns (expensive as it may be).

It's a law which, it could be argued, has been designed for selective enforcement, and the idea of not requiring informational
signs makes its enforcement that much more un-even.
Dennis
So we are legalizing pot but banning smoking? Can I smoke pot in a park but not a cigarette?
Sam Lowry
Your 10-most-powerful list is a waste of bandwidth. You should have a Most-Belabored-Metaphor-of-2010 contest. This would win, hands-down.
Anonymous
It's amazing how city council and city management is running long beach. Maybe next they will tell me when it is okay to drink a soda, or when I should use the bathroom. This goes beyond, what government should do to make a dime. The open air whether you smell smoke, bbq, grass or dirt, is available to everyone. How much longer is long beach going to allow government try to tell us what to do with our bodies, when they can't even balance a budget.
back flip
I think this whole argument is retarded!
We live in the most polluted harbor in all of the U.S. with the worst air quality in virtually all of America and we need to pester smokers? So funny:)

The City of Long Beach has been screwed up since it's inception.

If this city wants to make big money they should put parking meters in residential neighborhoods or make people use permitted parking stickers. This way everyone can pay to park there smog makers:) which is way worse than smoking has ever or will ever be.

But this will never happen because 90% of people weather they smoke or not are just too lazy to put the car away or just sell it. So for all you people that don't smoke.

YOUR STILL KILLING PEOPLE!
rational human being
sorry but the soda analogy is bogus. When you drink soda, i dont have to smeel it and breathe it until it makes me sneeze.

Mr Greet: you ask " So why, when the only "yard" some people have is a public park, must we deprive them of a place *in* that park where they can sit on a bench or stroll along a pathway or lay on the grass or fish and legally puff away to their heart's content?"

Answer: because other people dont want to inhale your smoke

I dont get why this is so hard to understand. replace smoking with urinating or defacating and maybe it will make more sense.

Go smoke away from me. Go smoke in private where i dont have to breathe it.

Factories and cars? Funny, but I never know when a factory is operating or a car is passing because the smoke goes up my nose and I sneeze and get watery eyes. But when you light up, that happens.

Civil liberties? Unless you think you have a right to spew poison in the air, get over it. You have no more right to smoke in public than to urinate in public. Urinating is legal, too, Mr Greet!

not a lawyer
dennis: The answer is no. All smoking is included in this ban.
Brian
So... who's gonna collect from all the homeless people that LIVE AND SMOKE in the public parks? Especially at City Hall. I see no "real"/effective enforcement.
Signs or no signs, what's it matter, especially when the homeless will pay no attention to them at all.
back flip
@rational human being.

You really must be joking and or a old person?
Please tell me I bet it's one or the other.
Please change your screen name because you have no rationality at all.

The reason you sneeze near a smoker is you have a long awaited doctors visit in your future.
Also only a ignoramus would try and sugar coat a really big problem like smog and mass pollution.
The only reason you cant smell car smoke is because you need to get out of your car first just saying:)
I dont smoke but to all the smokers out there!
Smoke away I personally am not going to tell you when or were you need to be to get your fix, But for god sakes try and quite:)
alyceclover
Charlie said "Obama will love that". I doubt that he would enjoy visiting Long Beach, stepping out of the limo to grab a smoke in one of our parks, not knowing it was now a crime to do so.

The lady who fears her son getting lung cancer from breathing second hand smoke at Bixby Park while watching a soccer game may next get City Council to ban BBQ grilling.

The smoke from those grills is more plentiful at Bixby Park than tobacco and reefer smoke. I do not know about second hand reefer smoke, but breathing BBQ smoke can lead to cancer and oh those fumes from the busses that stop at Cherry and Ocean Blvd.
alyceclover
I learned from High School teacher that "ignorance of the law is no excuse". He tried to fight a parking ticket; took photographs of a knocked down sign in a gully partly covered with leaves. It could not be seen without searching for it.

The judge told him the above and made him pay the fine.

I was speaking to a L.B. officer about drummers on the beach. He was going to arrest everyone. For what? I gave him an example of a person lighting a cigarette at the beach, the cop would only write a ticket not arrest the offender.

Cop said it was at their discretion,that they could indeed take a person to the station if they were caught smoking on the beach.

Sad thing is, hardly anyone is on the beach except at areas with parking lots. Any smoke will quickly dissapate with miles of sky and ocean air.

Once Long Beach achieves its goal to become a smoke-free town, where who will they be taxing to make up for lost revenue? One has to buy a bit more than 77 six packs of beer to equal taxes from one carton of cigarettes in California. That is taxation without representation, and I do agree with Charlie, any more anti-smoking laws could cause major backlash,
John B. Greet
rational human being (sic) said: Mr Greet: you ask " So why, when the only "yard" some people have is a public park, must we deprive them of a place *in* that park where they can sit on a bench or stroll along a pathway or lay on the grass or fish and legally puff away to their heart's content?" Answer: because other people dont want to inhale your smoke I dont get why this is so hard to understand. replace smoking with urinating or defacating and maybe it will make more sense. Go smoke away from me. Go smoke in private where i dont have to breathe it. Factories and cars? Funny, but I never know when a factory is operating or a car is passing because the smoke goes up my nose and I sneeze and get watery eyes. But when you light up, that happens. Civil liberties? Unless you think you have a right to spew poison in the air, get over it. You have no more right to smoke in public than to urinate in public. Urinating is legal, too, Mr Greet!" Your premise seems, to me, considerably flawed. About the only way you might inhale someone else's smoke in a public park is if you make a specific and intentional effort to do so. The dissipative effects of air and wind on smoke in an open area like a park would prevent your being inconvenienced in that way unless you intentionally placed yourself in such a position as to breathe any of it in. By the way, what laws on our books mandate that people need not ever be inconvenienced in some way at some point in their day? Shall we legislate every aspect of our daily lives? Or should we simply work harder to be more civil toward and considerate of one another? If one smokes (and I don't) then they should do so with consideration for others. This means that they will have to be inconvenienced from time to time, just as they currently are on airplanes, or anywhere indoors in a public building. If one does not smoke, then they should understand that others choose to do so, that it is lawful for them to make that choice while they are out of doors, and that this means that non-smokers may just be inconvenienced once in a while as a smoker passes by on the sidewalk or happens to be upwind in a park. Here's a hint for non-smokers if that happens to them, hold your breath for a couple of seconds and then, you know, move! It's really not that hard a thing to do and in the grand scheme of things it's really not asking a lot. Your analogy to public urination and defecation is entirely specious and unworthy of a response.
kathyryan
Our city officials are so hypcritical. They okay the expansion of the inner port; they cheer on the legalization of marijuana and then they want to have complete control over the air we breathe, and comdemn cigarette smoking in the ourdoors air and on public beaches, which they do not own.

If marijuana is legalized is it going to be categorized as cigarette smoking?

City Officials wrote the arguments for legalization of marijuana and increasing the money transfer from the Port to the City coffers, and at the same time argue that okaying these 2 measures will be good for the future of Long Beach and provide better infrastructure and services for the people.

Everything Long Beach officials do is all about revenue. Until the people wake up to that fact, their liberties will continue to be stepped on, allowing our city council to dictate, instead of lead.

The City is going broke and needs revenues desperately since their negotiations with the unions soured. With a weak team of negotiators, and a huge bill from CalPERS coming in 2012, desperate people have taken desperate actions.

By the way, I do not smoke and!

paintboy
I'm tired of people picking on smokers. People tend to forget that we have rights too. Just because we are the current societal scapegoats...bad enough you tax us more and more every year... I can live with the no smoking indoors thing, that's just gross- i don't smoke in my own house- but outdoors is another story. What's going to stop my smoke from blowing into the park from across the street where I will be standing blowing it in that direction. If we're all so concerned about other's health why don't we do something really effective toward that end and ban all fast food establishments in long beach. Obesity and Heart Disease kill more people every year than smoking after all! That will help cut down on the litter problem too. Hey! Win Win right?! (okay smoking causes heart disease too but that's beside my point) There is such a thing as legislating ourselves to death. Where does one draw the line?
WASTED TIME
I don't smoke but this law is a joke. The city council and the rest of us have much better things to spend time on.

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