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Occupy Long Beach: So About Those Lights…

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An OLB sign was added to one of the lights:  "Look what your tax $ is paying for!"

10:26am | For the moment everything has quieted down at Lincoln Park. Well, except for those light thingies.

Beginning with Night 1 of Occupy Long Beach's stay in/near the park, a trio of portable light standards have been chugging away, illuminating the goings-on.

And, many say, polluting them, both with noise and exhaust fumes.

OLBers say the presence of these lights is nothing less than harassment, placed there with the sole purpose of making it more difficult for members to remain near the park overnight.

When they took their concerns to last week's city council meeting, Councilmember Robert Garcia was sympathetic enough to ask City Manager Pat West if something might be done to address the air-pollution issue.

The result? "By Wednesday night, City staff were able to swap out that diesel generator [i.e., the one on Pacific Avenue itself, closest to the OLBers] with a solar-powered generator borrowed from the Long Beach Airport, thus resolving the issue," says Tom Modica of the City Manager's Office."

According to Del Davis of Public Works, the City of Long Beach doesn't actually own any solar-powered versions — hence the need to borrow. (Long Beach Post is hoping to hear back about why the City borrowed one and not three.)

As for the gas-powered versions, we're told by Public Works each one consumes three gallons of diesel fuel per each 12-hour shift during which it is in operation.

As to why the lights are out there at all, the Long Beach Police Department confirms they asked them to be brought out for reasons of "health and safety."

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Really
The lights are a mariginal taxpayer expense when considering all of the other city resources being used to accommodate these unemployed lazy whiners.
Hello
Placing that sign on city owned property consitutes a trespass and defacement of property. Now we need lights to light up the lights to keep these unemployed OLBers under control. What a waste of taxpyer money.
John B. Greet
Solet me see if I understand this correctly: OLB's actions result in the placement of taxpayer-funded lighting equipment to help ensure their safety, yet somw with OLB presume to complain about the noise the generators make?

Really?

If they don't like the noise in the area, perhaps they should, oh I don't know....leave?
Clarissa
Really,
Unemployed and whiners they might be, but I'd hardly call them lazy.
Erin
Keep drinking the kool-aid "Really"...I am not unemployed, lazy, nor a whiner. I AM someone who recognizes injustice and crimes passed off as legal business moves that are bankrupting our nation and will continue to do so if left unabated. Check your assumptions - you know what they say when you assume things! We are peacefully assembling and most of us feel passionately even if we are not jobless or homeless, we are in solidarity with the MANY (24 million I believe is the figure when I last checked) that are without jobs and are against the bank bailouts for banks that in turn shuttle their money through off-shore accounts in order to shirk taxes and then give themselves bonuses with the taxpayer's money. We are against corporations sneaking harmful toxic ingredients into our food, our air, our medicines without repercussion. We are tired of Wall St owning the government. Wake up - stop throwing stones - start listening to your fellow man and not the mainstream media.
KB
Certainly the area they are occupying needs to be illuminated for safety reasons. There have been reports of theft, rape and other crimes at other "Occupy" events around the country. The city is doing their best to shine a light on the occupiers so that they will remain safe. Most crimes are more easily committed in the dark. Can you imagine if a woman was attacked at one of these events? Would the victim then blame the police for not protecting her? Would she bring a lawsuit against the City for not providing a safe environment? You have to wonder. Maybe the "occupiers" should realize that their actions cause reactions, and to protect and serve the people, the city and the police and everyone involved must spend their resources, and when most cities and police departments are cash strapped, it seems a crime to continue to waste resources. I wish that the protesters would think more deeply and see the destruction and irony of what they are doing. Really, how is this helping?
Michael E. Gordon
The lights have never been there for the "health and safety" of the homeless, so that answer isn't going to fly. They can light it all year with solar power if they want to, but I object to my tax dollars (and petroleum) being wasted on illuminating a "health and safety" issue that does not exist.

Meanwhile, the stabbings and shootings in the city appear to be up recently? Shouldn't those lights be moved to where the crime actually occurs?
Duh
First two comments clearly left by the same person.
Chris
Nice that the city found a "green" solution to the problem of squelching people's right to assemble!
Just My 2 Cents
I'm familiar with Lincoln Park having done some volunteer work for the homeless who frequent the area. They are the big "winners" here (not that I'm downplaying their situation, that's a whole other topic for discussion later) as it is safe with all the police presence. Much more so than the LA River or other spots downtown where I have often assisted them. The LA River is a very dangerous place to be at night, I believe there is on average a murder a month which is never reported on by the media. Downtown overnighters risk robbery and other crimes. So needless to say the homeless (don't underestimate their communication with each other, everyone knows each other and they all have cell phones) will gather in large numbers.

As for the Occupy crowd, I have spoken with them and they seem to be a disorganized lot with different agendas. Perhaps they will gel in the future to have some sort of Mission Statement. I understand their frustration with the "system", we truly have "government by corporation". It was Eisenhower who warned us back in the 50's about the "growing military industrial complex" (or something to that effect) and nowadays big corporations along with the military run the show in WA DC. These folks however, appear to want to relive the 60's Hippie Era for some reason. Sheesh! Were we that influential? ;-)

The City Council and police (IMHO) should let them be for now but it is my opinion the homeless will outnumber (if they haven't already) the protesters very soon. A lot of these folks have mental disabilities so it could get real unstable in which case quite dangerous. What the City Council and police will end up doing is close the park for "maintenance". It's inevitable that there will need to be a stop to this, especially if the homeless from other cities stop on by.

Now don't get all mad at me, these are simply my observations of the situation along with my opinions. It's a fluid situation and quite thankfully, safe at the moment.
John B. Greet
"Sunday night, after police experimented with turning off the floodlights at night, two protesters were arrested for domestic violence, and a homeless couple fought over a cellphone and were arrested for allegedly making terrorist threats, (LBPD Deputy Chief) Luna said." - PT, 10/26/11

Those charged with ensuring public safety deemed the lights are necessary to help them do that. After some with OLB complained, LBPD tried turning thelights off, only to see problems develop that the lights are there to help prevent. If some in the OLB dont like the lights, they should consider re-occupying there own homes and leave the park to those less prone to whining, self-pity, and entitlement.

Ryan ZumMallen
John, I understand - but certainly don't agree - if you choose not to side with OWS gatherings. But can anyone truly deny that there is nothing wrong with the way our country is working right now? The point of the movement is to draw attention to the obvious injustices that are strangling the common American. They choose to demonstrate because nothing is being done to remedy a blatant imbalance. We can all agree that our top-heavy economy is hurting tens of millions while the rich get richer, yes? These people are simply doing something about it. Call them hippies or lazy or entitled if you like, but above all they are people who cannot earn a living or pay for an education - and that says more about the state of our country than the people exercising their Constitutional right that some seem to despise.
John B. Greet
Hi Ryan! Sure do miss you around here! I applaud those willing to demonstrate the courage of their convictions and demonstrate and protest for what they believe.

I do *not* applaud those in the Occupy movement around the country and world who are resorting to violence and I do *not* applaud the non-violent members of the Occupy movement who are not condemning the violence that others in their movement are committing.

No reasonable person I know if is arguing that there is nothing wrong with our nation or our society. Where most seem to disagree is what the root causes are and what the best solutions might be.

For instance, I think that an overly-intrusive and ever-expansive government (at all levels) is far more a cause of various injustices in our society than the financial sector could ever dream of being.

If Occupy truly wanted to direct its protests at the source of most of our current challenges, it would be focused upon Washington, DC. rather than on Wall Street.

Instead of a smaller, less intrusive, less costly, and more effective government, however, most Occupiers seem to want the larger, more intrusive, costlier, and less-efficient sort.

They seem to completely miss the fact that as government expands, personal freedoms and indivual liberties must necessarily contract.

The Occupy movement is rooted in the basic principles of Marxism/Socialism. That alone is sufficient reason for me to oppose its goals.

But, as mentioned, I support and defend their ability to exercise their right to protest, peaceably assemble, and demonstrate for the things that they believe.
Ian
the money is almost a non-issue; it's a drop in the bucket. This is typical psychological operations like those undertaken by the military. If you make it harder for people to sleep, they eventually are easier to control, or will blow up in anger, justifying an arrest.

Though, to be fair, this does make it easier for the police to ensure that nothing unseemly is going on. These types of measures should not even be considered until there is good reason to do so, however.
Yogi Bear
John B. Greet:

I saw this earlier and it made me think of you. I've read somewhere on here that you associate yourself with the Tea Party movement. While I think I feel about the same way about the Tea Party as you do about the Occupiers, this holds some truth (I think the 2nd comic illustrates the debate quite well):

http://www.npr.org/2011/10/22/141587473/double-take-toons-what-is-ows

Also, on a more serious note:
http://www.npr.org/2011/10/22/141619672/finding-common-ground-between-two-movements

Also, how about some quotes from one of the Original Tea Partiers, Thomas Jefferson? I think these speak quite well to your condemnation of the Occupy movement taking a more forceful stance:

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

And my personal favorite:

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty.... And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."
Yogi Bear
@Ian:

Exactly. Remember Operation Just Cause? During the Invasion of Panama, General Manuel Noriega took refuge in a Vatican embassy. Just outside the walls, the US Military played deafeningly loud rock music 24 hours a day until Noriega (who apparently loathed rock-n-roll) surrendered.

These are exactly the kind of PsyOp tactics being used by the police not only in LB, but in many other Occupied cities. Sleep deprivation, especially, is an insanely powerful psychological tactic.

HOLD STRONG OCCUPIERS.
THEY WILL BREAK BEFORE WE WILL.
gene debs
John Greet: Private minority interests should control wealth

Ryan Z: The public should control wealth

And this is the only issue that matters. Do we let a few private interests control for their own purposed the wealth that society creates through group effort? Or do we, the majority, control it for the public good?

You cannot oppress - whether with guns or with increased cost of living and decreased wages - the vast majority of people forever. Soon enough they will get sick of it and rebel.

I guess we know where Greet and Zummallen stand.
Scott M. Jones
It seems to me that OWS and others like it are trying to voice the reality that we are fed up with being a consumeristic society that thinks that we can buy anything. If I want to raise a child, I purchase schooling, If I want to be safe, I purchase police, If I want to be healthy, I purchase a doctor, If I want to be happy, I purchase a new outfit. There is a point that we need to call this worldview into question. To me the solution is to move away from the scarcity of consumerism and to move toward the abundance of community. We need to know and hang out with our neighbors. We don't only need to bike, but to walk. We need to take the time to have a conversation with one another. We need to shop local, grow local, and love local. The truth is that there is enough gifts, talents, and assets on our block and in our neighborhood. We wouldn't know that we have enough because we for the most part don't know who lives above us or two doors down from us. So my call to LB is to occupy your neighborhood and get to know them, hang out. Occupy our main streets and support local business, not the giant corporations. I believe that is where its starts... just by getting away from the screen in front of me... an Apple... going outside and saying hello to my neighbor.
Ryan ZumMallen
And I agree 100% with Scott, although I'm the first to admit that I am not in 100% adherence. I would add that we should each produce more than we consume. This is an uphill climb but one that is ultimately worth the struggle.
PeaceLion
Give me a break! So now they are not being subjected to air pollution. This reminds me of the torture of Bradley Manning. How well does anyone sleep with bright lights shining on them all night?
Kate J
Scott M Jones really hits the nail on the head. It sounds like he wants to go back to a gentler time like the forties and very early fifties. With all the hectic pace of life and the fact that people of this country are so mobile, we aren't ever going to go back to that way of life again. How many people now live in their homes for more than 10 years, or so. But it's worth the effort of anyone to try to do our little part to make this a better world for us and those around us, even if we live in one place for a short time. If we take the time to be concerned about each other, even just a little, we will be happier and more at ease with our own lives. As for the lights, it's a shame we can't have more of them where they are needed.
belmont bob
I hope the occuppiers have a permit to use the park and are paying for the expense of the lighting. The lighing is necessary for health and safety. I would like to see a copy of their permit to use the park!

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