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OC Sheriff's Department Says All Sales of Marijuana Illegal, Investigation Involving Belmont Shore Collective Ongoing

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10:00am | The Orange County Sheriff's Department considers all sales of marijuana to be illegal -- whether or not they involve profit -- and says the investigation that led to the raid of Belmont Shore Natural Care and numerous other locations and individuals is ongoing, according to a department spokesperson.

In response to follow-up questions regarding the search warrant served on a half-dozen collectives and over a dozen other locations and persons on November 8, Lt. David Doyle has told the Long Beach Post that "the CUA and MMPA do not authorize sales of marijuana," and that therefore all cash-for-cannabis transactions are illegal.

Doyle also provided further details on the November 8 enforcement action, reporting that a total of approximately $492,000 was seized in the various searches. No cash was seized from Belmont Shore Natural Care; however, in addition to the collective's entire medicinal inventory, a variety of bookkeeping paperwork was seized, along with a computer.

Doyle noted while no arrests have been made thus far, the investigation centering around John Walker, whom the Sheriff's Department labels "a silent partner that heads … [a] criminal organization conspiring to illegally sell marijuana at several storefronts," is ongoing.

While many law-enforcement organizations view cash-for-cannabis transactions (such as typically take place at storefront dispensaries) as illegal, in August 2008, then-State Attorney General Jerry Brown released a set of guidelines based on his interpretation of the Compassionate Use Act (CUA) and the Medical Marijuana Program Act (MMPA), the legal foundations for California's allowance of the use of cannabis for medicinal purposes. In those guidelines, Brown states that "a properly organized and operated collective or cooperate that dispenses medical marijuana through a storefront may be lawful under California law," and that such operations can include marijuana being "[a]llocated based on fees that are reasonably calculated to cover overhead costs and operating expenses." 

However, the Sheriff's Department alleges that some or all of the sales made at the collectives named in the warrant were made on a for-profit basis.

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John B. Greet
Change federal law on the matter, and all of this goes away.
Pulaskian
So what jurisdiction does the Orange Country Sheriff have in Long Beach? And what Mr. Greet said.
not a lawyer
What a waste of taxpayer resources. The MMMPA and multiple court rulings, as well as then Atty Gen Brown's guidelines, EXPLICITLY EXEMPT patients from criminal sanctions for the SALE of medical marijuana to another patient or patients. EXPLICITLY.

This is harassment, plain and simple, and will lose in court.
dds
Mr. Greet-- exactly.
LBCritic
Make it into a pill and be done with the smoking. So we can smoke weed, but not tobacco? Nuts!
Idea
Did anyone read this article? Don't have an owner that also sells meth, fire arms and horad large sums of cash. That is why the OC raided the drug den.
not a lawyer
federal law is irrelevant, and actually wouldnt change ANYTHING in this case. The OC sheriff is claiming to be enforcing STATE law, not federal. Pot could be put on schedule two or removed entirely and state laws would still apply. Educate before you pontificate, dudes.
dw
Yes and it already is a pill.
John B. Greet
@not: We need to look a little deeper than that.

We and several other states have a hodgepodge collection of confused and conflicting state and local medpot laws specifically *because* maraijuana remains illegal at the federal level. Because this is true, states and localities have been twisting themselves into legalistic pretzels to try to get around the federal prohibition.

Deal with marijuana at the federal level, and we wont need medpot laws in California or Long Beach at all. If we remove marijuana from the CSA schedules, California can legalize it outright or limit access as it chooses.

Move marijuana to another Schedule and California medical professionals can legally prescribe it and licensed pharmacies can legally dispense it.

No more half-baked (sic) Doctor "recommendations." No more medpot collectives.

OCSD Lt. Doyle was quite specific in the reason for the raids. They feel that the CUA and MMPA do not authorize sales of marijuana," and that therefore all cash-for-cannabis transactions are illegal."

Correct this at the federal level and neither the CUA nor the MMPA are necessary at all.

As I said, we need to look deeper. The root (sic) of California's medpot challenge resides in federal law and no where else.
Paul
The pot business, California legal or not, has connections to the underworld. Our Councipeople don't have the sense to reaize that? They vote on emotion for what ever sob story comes in front of them. When will they start thinking about the consequences of their votes on most of the residents?
Luis
Since when did the Orange Co. Sheriff become the state police?
hppyhippi
Oh get real, Sheriff Jim Crow, who has found a group of people to discriminate against, the pot heads. They are less than human, right? How long are the citizens of this county going to tolerate this insanity of the Sheriff's Dept? Bully boys whose actions are predicated upon the irrational propaganda of the 1920's, what tards.

Marijuana was first domesticated over 6000 years ago, making it one of the first plants to have that honor. This country was founded by a couple of pot farmers named Washington and Jefferson. Pot is our human heritage and right.

It is not an accident that pot has so many medical indications, it was farmed by humans before corn or tomatoes, and humans and cannabis evolved together and interacted long before domestication. That is why scientists refer to the cannibinoid receptor system in humans! The Sheriff's bias against marijuana is unscientific and unconscionable. A real horror show against normal people doing what humans have always done. Sherrif, please, GET OVER IT and work on crimes of violence and corruption within the Department, or give us back our tax money!!!
Karen B
Cannabis is here to stay. Bottom line, we need to find a way to make it legal so the government can get their taxes and people can get their marijuana. I have been smoking marijuana for 32 years. I am a business owner in Long Beach, I own my home and I pay my taxes. I have many friends, upstanding citizens, in Long Beach and Seal Beach, who use marijuana. As an American, I feel my rights are being infringed upon in this endless battle against it. Marijuana is a smaller threat than alchohol, but there are bars and liquor stores all over the place. A logical person could see that the threat of marijuana is in its being illegal in the first place. Legalize it and we can begin the process of weeding the criminals out of the industry. It won't happen overnight but we did it with alchohol after prohibition and we can do it with marijuana. If we don't figure it out, this battle against marijuana will continue to waste money and time. At 53 I don't want to go back out on the street to buy my marijuana but I will if I have to. I don't want to support drug cartels. I would prefer to support my homestate of California and the United States. An added thought is this: Why should dispensaries not be able to make any profit? Let's face it, the pharmaceutical companies are making $$$$ hand over fist and by selling drugs that have terrible side effects as stated in every commercial. I won't use Ambian or any of those sleep aids. With marijuana I wake each day refreshed.. no chemicals. Cannabis is here to stay. Legalize it.
Joe
Sell it out of a drug store, just like any other prescription drug. Don't see any antibiotics dispenceries do you.
gigi
This comment is efor "idea." You are an idiot. Where did it state that the owner/owners of BSNC were selling meth. I am not a meth expet by any means but anyone with any logic could figure out that there is not much profit to be made from 2 grams of anything. I also did not see anything that said that meth or firearms were being sold by anyone including BSNC. Perhaps the OCSD should have BSNC and/or their counsel if they had questions about the operation of that business. This is another case of taxpayer rights being violated. First the fourth amendment, then the first...what's next?
Charlie
Apparently some cop in Orange County understands the legal implications of CUA & MMPA better than the Governor, an attorney, and the Attorney General's Office. What an idiot! I am a long-time criminal attorney and the Gov & his ex-AG's office have it absolutely right. Doyle & his other GED wielding OC cops better go back to high school & take an English class before they open their mouths about things they know nothing about.
leonard beechum
Okay.... i cant keep my mouth shut on this stupid comment that has been made perhaps on every article written on this subject.... the comment im talking about sounds like this:

"Okay...if its medicine tgen gve t to tge drug stores such as cvs or rite aid to sell...not these neighborhood retail shops....etc...etc"

Dumbass(es) that comment this here is your response.....

Have you forgotten that drug stores used to be small compassionate dime store tiny neighborhood shops??? Run by mom & pop "america"???

Yes, before the existence of behemoth BILLION dollar super stores it was mom and pop that dispensed drugs.

These collectives have a right to be a small mom and pop as most are and run this operation. Incidentally they can also dispense pharmaceuticals if they so chose to.

So shut up already those that give this real creative response regarding sales through big pharma outlets.

God forbid

LB

Gary Bowlmen
Driven By Drug War Incentives, Cops Target Pot Smokers, Brush Off Victims Of Violent Crime.

Arresting people for assaults, beatings and robberies doesn't bring money back to police departments, but drug cases do in a couple of ways. First, police departments across the country compete for a pool of federal anti-drug grants. The more arrests and drug seizures a department can claim, the stronger its application for those grants.

The most perverse policy may be asset forfeiture. Under civil asset forfeiture, police can seize property from people merely suspected of drug crimes.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/21/drug-war-incentives-police-violent-crime_n_1105701.html?page=1
Will Johnson- San Diego
$492,000. THAT should have been the story headline.

The Nov 8th 'action' was straight-up smash&grab ROBBERY.

The police come in, STEAL all the cash, walk out saying "have a nice day".

The ONLY folks in it 'for profit' are the police agencies stealing the collectives' cash.

Unless/until the police bring in an accountant, they have NO business declaring the activities of a true 'non-profit' to be illegal.

I absolutely agree that a few (some) clubs are idiots, running their dispensaries 'loosely'. When THAT happens with alcohol, do you see the police raiding the owner's home&business, stealing all their cash?

It's about the money, folks. Period.
malcolm kyle
An appeal to all Prohibitionists:

Most of us are aware by now that individuals who use illegal drugs are going to get high, 'no matter what.' So why do you not prefer they acquire them in stores that check IDs and pay taxes? Gifting the market in narcotics to ruthless criminals, foreign terrorists and corrupt law enforcement officials is seriously compromising our future. If you remotely believe that people will one day quit using any of these 'at present' illegal drugs, then you are exhibiting a degree of naivety parallel only with those poor deluded wretches who voluntarily drank the poisoned Kool-Aid in Jonestown.

Even if you cannot stand the thought of people using drugs, there is absolutely nothing you, or any government, can do to stop them. We have spent 40 years and over a trillion dollars on this dangerous farce. Practically everybody is now aware that Prohibition will not suddenly and miraculously start showing different results. So why do you wish to continue with a policy that has proven itself to be a poison in the veins of our once so proud & free nation? Do you actually think you may have something to lose If we were to start basing drug policy on science & logic instead of ignorance, hate and lies?

Maybe you're a police officer, a prison guard or a local politician. Possibly you're scared of losing employment, overtime-pay, the many kick-backs and those regular fat bribes. But what good will any of that do you once our society has followed Mexico over the dystopian abyss of dismembered bodies, vats of acid and marauding thugs carrying gold-plated AK-47s with leopard-skinned gunstocks?

Kindly allow us to forgo the next level of your sycophantic prohibition-engendered mayhem.

Prohibition Prevents Regulation : Legalize, Regulate and Tax!
Mike Pike
Fight back, Beat drug prohibition the old fashioned way. With jury nullification. A jurist can throw away a million dollar drug investigation with one refusal to convict. Do that enough times and the drug war will end.
Mr. Alamitos Heights
@Mike Pike: The best suggestion/comment on the entire page. Politicians are not going to do this; they are cowards. Cops are not going to lighten up if given a choice; too much grant money and property seizure.
Solution... get on a jury. And to quote Nancy Reagan... Just Say No.
Mark
It's really telling that the sheriff is willing to waste so much taxpayer money on the following court cases over something which is DE JURE legal in the entire state. Have a big, costly power trip, dude! The pie in the face is coming!
Santor
It's a shame the Orange County Sheriff's Department wants us to support the gangs and cartels that sell marijuana to children and perpetrate violence. Why do you support the black market instead of regulated outlets? Since the main result of this is that gangs and cartels keep their lucrative market selling to children with no competition from legal suppliers who don't, one wonders why the Orange County Sheriff's Department wants children to have greater access to marijuana? Or do they just prefer gangs and cartels to legal regulated supplies?
Jim
The article makes it sound as though the OC Sheriff unilaterally decided which State laws he was going to enforce or ignore. "The Orange County Sheriff's Department considers all sales of marijuana to be illegal -- whether or not they involve profit..." If the dispensaries are breaking state law or using their business as a front for other crime, then I applaud the efforts of the Sheriff. If not, then he is actively breaking the state laws he is sworn to enforce.

I'm also saddened by recent politically motivated federal crackdowns on dispensaries that are complying with State law. They are using Federal money to reduce jobs and state/city tax income when we need more of both. State taxes on medical marijuana was estimated to be between 50 and 100 million dollars in 2010. See http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/11/24/BA0C1M32B1.DTL for more information on that.
pete
everyone knows lt.doyle is a borderline retard! he must be running for topdog.
Anonymous
BSNC was found guilty without any arrests even being made. OCSD seized their entire inventory. Even if vindicated, how could business resume? So based on rumor and speculation people are out of business and out of work. "Investigation" is what is to be done before action is taken. Why not make inquiries and ask to see the records before taking actions that did not even result in arrests being made. Seems a bit backwards to me.
John B. Greet
OCSD served a search warrant -not an arrest warrant- that had to be authorized by a Judge and based upon probable cause.

The same search warrant authorized OCSD to seize the items that they seized.

Assuming that a responsible party from BSNC was present during the warrant service, that person has a copy of the warrant. Perhaps that person could provide LBPOST with that copy so that LBPOST can, in turn, publish it here for public review and discussion.

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