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It's the Equality, Stupid

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It was via e-mail that I became aware of the Equal Benefits Ordinance (EBO) that 1st District Councilperson Robert Garcia presented at the July 14 city council meeting. The proposal is quite simple: the EBO would "requir[e] that contractors doing business with the City demonstrate [that] they provide benefits for registered domestic partners that are equal to those provided for [legally-]married spouses," though with possible exemptions (for contracts below a minimum monetary threshold, ones that concern an "indispensable public service" that cannot be obtained through a contractor providing said equal benefits, etc.).

The e-mail urged residents to come to the meeting to speak on behalf of the EBO:

[W]e need your help to make sure that the entire City Council hears the voices of the LGBT community at the upcoming Council Meeting. We need everyone to come to City Hall to speak before the City Council as to why the city needs to enact this ordinance.

Did you spot the subtly mixed message in the above? The second sentence expresses the need for everyone to speak before the Council, but the first says that the Council needs to hear the voices of the LGBT community. I don't mean to drag you down to parsing hell. The spirit of what's being said is clear, and both sentences are perfectly apt: the Council does need to hear the voices of the LGBT community, and everyone should speak up on behalf of passing the EBO. But every instance of even intimating that such inequity is more about a given sub-community—here, the LGBT—than about all of us is a missed opportunity.

See, Garcia's proposal is not primarily a LGBT issue; it's about equality, period. The question of just who is being treated unequally is secondary. When any individual or group is being treated unequally, that issue equally concerns all of us who wish to live in an egalitarian society. The sooner society at large realizes that these issues concern "us" every bit as much as it concerns "them," the sooner the false 'us/them' dichotomy will be relegated to its proper place: as a curious historical relic from a less-enlightened time, a time when distinctions between groups were sometimes drawn for exclusionary purposes.

Vis-à-vis doing away with 'us/them,' 2nd District Councilperson Suja Lowenthal's co-sponsorship of the EBO may be more important than Garcia's. Since Garcia self-identifies as a member of the LGBT community, oppugners of the EBO can claim his proposal smacks of self-interest; but they cannot (ab)use the same logic to impugn Lowenthal's motives. As she commented for this column:

"This has always been about equal treatment—no more, no less. [. . .] I firmly believe that every person is entitled to the same rights and responsibilities in our society [. . .] I said as much in my second piece of legislation as a newly-elected council member calling for Marriage Equality: "It is an injustice upon every resident and community in the City of Long Beach when LGBT individuals and families may contribute to the fabric of our city but do not enjoy the liberties and protections provided to all persons, regardless of race, gender, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation*."

*[Author's footnote: In the political parlance of the LGBT community, Lowenthal and myself are "allies" of the LGBT. While valid as far as it goes, it may also be a slightly misguided way to think about these ('other') people with concordant views on civil rights. Because, by definition allies are outsiders, sympathetic but separate. To think in terms of 'allies' is to some degree to accept the logic of those who would disallow equal benefits for non-heterosexual couples, to wit, that there is an us, and there is a them. After all, the necessary first step to discrimination is to demarcate the undivided whole, to draw a boundary that would not otherwise exist. The Himalayas are a natural boundary, the Mississippi River maybe, but there is no more a natural boundary between 'gay/straight' than there is between 'blond/brunette' or 'musician/non-musician.' I hardly need to point out that within the human community you find people with varying skill sets, varying physical traits, varying desires. Except perhaps when considering those who make conscious choices to harm others, rarely is there much good use in taking demarcations based on such variance at all seriously.]

Unfortunately, as we know from 47.55% of Long Beach residents voting "yes" on Proposition 8, our fellow non-LGBT denizens have yet to embrace equality with anything approaching a comfortable majority. Surely some of those "yes" votes emanated from simple bigotry, but the rest come from a failure to grasp that the emphasis on 'gay rights' is on rights and not gay. That adjustment would be a good first step—a step individuals are more likely to take when their city has already done so (in its business practices, etc.).

The next step would be our agreeing to eliminate adjectivals altogether in this type of discussion: "This matter concerns [sub-community name redacted] rights." Whose rights would not figure in the decision-making process, and the matter would be decided solely on the issue's merits—for example, whether those rights are good for us to have, or those business policies good for welcoming into our community companies who treat us as we would like to be treated*.

*[Author's footnote: This is merely an a posteriori extension of John Rawls's "veil of ignorance." For our present purposes, imagine that before being born (and thus before you had taken on your particular religious beliefs &c.) you were given the task of designing the system of laws, rights, etc., of the community into which you would be born—without any knowledge of what your particular role(s) in society would be. Will you be poor? handicapped? female? part of a minority? Behind such a "veil," would anybody really be willing to design things in such a way that (s)he has anything but the best possible chance at fairness, at equality, of having the basic benefits and protections enjoyed by others? (Certainly no one living in this world shows much interest in having fewer rights or benefits than anyone else.)]

One day the EBO will be rendered moot, as the provision formerly known as Proposition 8 will fall and the California Constitution will be cleaned of its most recent stain, allowing marriage to be marriage for all. But for the nonce the EBO is terribly relevant. It's something we as a City can do here and now so as not to reward contractors who are unwilling to treat us all equally. Post a sign at the front door: "No equality? Then please, no soliciting."

Am I being naive? In his current column, my LBPost.com colleague John Greet notes a New York Supreme Court ruling invalidating an EBO on the grounds that "the measure violated a state statute requiring public contacts to be awarded to the lowest bidder. The court concluded that a municipality may not withhold a contract simply because the lowest bidder does not offer equal benefits to domestic partners of its employees." A related issue is raised by former 7th District Councilperson Mike Donelon, whose concerns about the fiscal bottom line in these dire economic times are quoted in a July 12 Press-Telegram article: "Right now, every dollar seems to count for business. [. . .] Let's see what kind of economic impact [the proposed EBO]'s gonna have [before embracing it]."

I do not feel these issues ought to influence the ways in which we attempt to build and shape our community. Imagine that when we finally decide to reconfigure or dismantle the breakwater, the lowest bidder openly declares that 10% of all proceeds will go toward supporting the Nazi Party. If a court feels the need to mandate that we cannot bar any contractors based on open bigotry or discrimination, then let that decision not be on our heads. And if the cost of doing business is a little higher in an inequality-free zone, I hope we would pay the extra costs willingly, in the spirit that certain principles are not for sale.

We have some control over what happens within city limits, over whom we let in. (A useful use of boundary.) However much it is in our control, let us disallow inequality in Long Beach (and everywhere).

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red and black
certain principles are not for sale, amen. in this case the principle is the law. is it really ok to discrimate against companies who are behaving legally? is it legal to donate money to the Nazi party? is it legal not to give benefits to domestic partners? for a city, as opposed to an individual, those are the only questions. and to cloud your reasoning with extraneous, extra-legal, feel-good concerns, is to give in to what Richard Rorty (albeit with distinct approbation) aptly termed "the new fuzziness". I am all for full recognition of same sex marriages but the only legitmate way to this equality is to win it outright, and not by fighting fire with fire.
John Greet
Greggory: Very nicely said all around. In truth, EBO's throughout the nation appear to be enjoying far more successes than challenges. I find this to be a hopeful sign. As you note, some arguments against EBO's have a financial basis and I agree with you that as a rule we should avoid prioritizing financial concerns over those of equal rights. But some seem to feel that the only way to resolve this particular challenge is through enactment of an EBO. I disagree. I think that in today's fiscally dismal climate, where we are furloughing employees and cutting Department budgets and considering police/fire lay-offs and asking current vendors to discount invoices by 5%, we do need to give due consideration to reasonable alternatives to an EBO, especially if those alternatives would result in less exposure to costly litigation. This more circumspect approach, of fully considering all options, simply represents, to me, sound public policy. If we can accomplish the same thing by simply offering preferences to business enterprises that offer benefits parity to RDP's through the City's existing Diversity Outreach Program and if this proves to limit City exposure to costly litigation, shouldn't we consider going that route instead? Let's also be clear on one other point: Enacting an EBO will not do away with discrimination in this area of public policy, it simply replaces one form of discrimination with another. An EBO simply permits our City to discriminate, through duly enacted legislation, against some businesses that we feel are discriminating against others. If discrimination is wrong (in the context that most people use it on this topic), then it's wrong no matter who practices it, or how. Would you not agree? Businesses that do not currently offer benefits parity to RDP's are, whether we like it or not, operating lawfully. Where a business is operating lawfully, should not government be seen to encourage (through preferences), rather than to mandate (through legislation), certain operational practices in the private sector? Mr. Garcia's initial approach was something akin to 'damn the torpedoes (potential costs), full speed ahead (draft an ordinance within 60 days)!' Fortunately others helped him to reconsider and viable alternatives can now be identified and duly considered. The end result may prove the same, we may well have our version of an EBO within just a few months, but if we do it will now come after an opportunity for due consideration by the entire community and not only those who will most benefit from it.
red and black
John Greet: you write "should not government be seen to encourage (through preferences), rather than to mandate (through legislation), certain operational practices". Yet you stress that the companies who do not give benefits to employee's domestic partners, like it or not, are operating lawfully. if that is so why should the government encourage or mandate? if the mandate is wrong then isn't the encouragement also? Shouldn't the government remain neutral towards law abiding entities and isn't any preference or legislation against those law-abiding entities itself unlawful and a violation of equal protection?

Greggory
red and black, "for a city [...] those are only questions" -- what does that MEAN? (Never mind that I don't even ask questions about a city's donating to the Nazi Party, etc.) But as for recognizing same-sex marriages, as I say, let's do what we CAN do now. That definitely includes contributing to the anti-Prop. 8 cause; but to follow your implicit suggestion that we do nothing EXCEPT that seems unwise if we desire to live right now steeped in as much equality as we can muster.

Re discrimination/discriminating -- a point raised by both John and red and black -- as Wittgenstein warns, be careful of being bewitched by language. Just because we're using one root word here doesn't mean we're talking about one and the same root concept. Being discriminating in our choices is not the same as practicing discrimination qua bigotry. In context, there's no reason to be confused by my saying one can be discriminating without practicing discrimination. In other words: We can make careful choices without practicing bigotry. In fact, that's the whole point. If Bob and Ray are straight and gay (respectively), and I like Bob as a person and befriend him but don't like Ray as a person and so don't befriend him, I am certainly being discriminating, yet I am not practicing discrimination qua bigotry. Whereas, if I say, "I will not befriend any gay people because they are gay," that is discrimination qua bigotry. See?

daniel brezenoff
Good one Greg, thanks. Red and black: When this passes, then it will be illegal. Also: Calling this a "feel-good" concern is pretty blithe. We're not talking about renaming a park or handing out an award - we're talking about a 401k, health plan, EAP benefits. Medical costs are the number one cause of bankruptcy in these United States. To call this measure "feel-good" is to demean the principle of equality, and to dismiss the economic needs of thousands of people.

daniel brezenoff
John, your use of the word "discrimination" has been bothering me. "Discrimination" itself isn't wrong; we all do it all the time - when choosing dinner, lovers, what to watch on tv, whom to vote for, etc. It just means making a choice. When discrimination is wrong is when we use the power of the purse, law, or violence to exclude people from privilege or equal protection for inappropriate reasons. What reasons might be inappropriate? In general, in our society, the answer has unfolded: qualities or actions that we either cannot choose, or which harm none. Being gay falls into that category and is thus protected. Discriminating against those who are gay, therefore, does not, and is not.
Ken Houp
Just so everyone is aware: employee benefits has for years has allowed inclusion of domestic partners, in accordance with the State of California's definition of Domestic Partner. All California insurance carriers who issue policies for Group health, life, vision and dental benefits must offer this option.
Charlie Stupid
Well, Greggory, you think that anyone that opposes EBO is stupid, eh? Well let me tell you something, idiot; As a Christian, there is no way I can support Gay Marraige, Domestic Partners, or Abortion for that matter. Hey, you go ahead and pay it, but don't expect small business, or big business, to support what you think is OK, and now to top that off, the City Manager has now asked Contractors doing business with LB City, to take a 5% cut off there contract to pay off a deficit the City created - sheesh
I think it's time that our new Mayor has a new City Council to initiate sensible business practices - especially during these trobled economic times for God sakes. but of course then, our new President is about to ask small & big business to cover his behind of the worse money management of our Country and health programs I have ever witnessed in my life time; That, of course, is in my humble opinion...
Sander
Greggory, first let me express my deep and abiding joy at having you on the LBPost.com team. It is an honor to serve with you.

I believe that the most significant part of what you said dealt with the idea that there is no 'other' any longer. This issue, to me, relates well with Michael James Brown's "Other Awareness Project," which asks why we self-identify using scientifically unsubstantiated racial designations.

It may seem like a trivial thing but, ultimately, it is this old paradigm that is the root of many societal challenges.

Thank you, sincerely, for cutting deep, right into the heart of the matter.
red and black
Daniel: well, if we legalized anything it would be legal (unless a court says otherwise), but thanks for the clarity all the same. I agree, "feel good" is wrong, "extra-legal" I'll hold with. Greggory: as to who you want to be your friend (gay, straight, undetermined) I'll leave that up to you. but we are talking about a government entity, and it is discrimination when a city forbids working with law abiding companiess (btw: Wittgenstien was bewitched by his own unchecked ego and his dour sensibility). but let's follow your logic. if a city in the south, where the prevailing sentiment is anti-gay, decided to pass a law which forbids it working with any company which did grant domestic partners benefits, even though that granting was perfectly legal, what would you say? I have to assume, based on what you write, that you would be opposed to the action, but would vigorously defend the right of the city to take that action. No? and, if not, what would be the difference? isnt't is just a matter of a city prohibiting working with companies whose values the city does not share, or whose practices offend the city's sensibilities even though those values and practices are completely legal?
red and black
Daniel: "Being gay falls into that category and is thus protected. Discriminating against those who are gay, therefore, does not, and is not." this is disengenuous. yes, being gay is protected, but marrying a gay person is not protected (so far). perhaps society has just not "unfolded" as much as you (or I) like. but until it so unfolds companies are not required to grant benefits to domestic partners and thus the government would be discriminating unlawfully by treating them as bad actors when in fact they are only bad actors in our minds, and not the law. and yes, I know that one can have discrimiting taste and that does not mean one is a bigot, just likely a prentious snob. "When discrimination is wrong is when we use the power of the purse, law, or violence to exclude people from privilege or equal protection for inappropriate reasons." again, it depends on whose ox is being gored. I'd deem it an inappropriate reason to exclude the companies who do not provide domestic partner benefits merely because you don't like their values as opposed to their actions beings unlawful. you see how beguiling languange can be? it's like a glove: the wrong side can so easily be turned inside out.

Greggory
Charlie Stupid: First, funny name! Second, no, I don't say anyone who opposes the EBO is stupid; what I intimate with my intentionally flip title is that it is stupid to think the EBO is about anything other than equality. Sorry you missed that. If you knowingly don't support equality - as is your stated position - then you're not (necessarily) stupid...but you are prejudiced...which is your right, to be sure.

red and black: Your disdain for Wittgenstein doesn't mean his advice is bad, and you really should heed his warning here, because you're still confused about the (here) dual use of 'discrimination.' If you cast about for the contrasting ways in which "indiscriminate" and "non-discriminatory" are typically used, you should quickly see your error. If not, well, Wittgenstein and I have failed you, and we apologize. As to your hypothetical, I grant you that that's a more difficult case than I'd like. Moreover, I'd be willing to bet that there are some municipalities who've decided on just such policies. That's part of the reason it's so important to make the opposite statement as loudly and ubiquitously as possible. I'd like to see the market for discriminatory companies shrink so much that discriminatory practices simply become an untenable business model.
mike donelon
To be very clear, "its the process, stupid". Equality is the "no brainer" part of the issue. The economics of any issue that effects local business should be studied.No matter what the issue or passions, right or wrong, good economy, bad economy. A good process will produce good legislation. My record on LGBT issues is well documented. Mr. Garcia may have some anxiety with my efforts to strongly advise and push for a community process. I believe at the end of the day the EBO(and there will be one) will be better, stronger, and one created through a fair and transparent community process. Great comments from all...let the process begin...
John Greet
red and black: Concerning your question re. governmental mandate (through legislation) v. encouragement (through preferences). In my opinion, mandates in such cases are not 'wrong' so much as they are less preferable to preference-oriented legislation. I would say that government should aspire to be as neutral on a matter such as this as the majority of the electorate within its jurisdiction wants it to be. I trust you will agree that in a Constitutional Republic, government is, rightly, simply an extension of the People who construct it. And that such a government operates in a manner reflective of the values and principles of that society or as otherwise constrained by Constitutional law. As Locke explained, ' -whoever has the legislative or supreme power of any commonwealth is bound to govern by established standing laws -' (The predominant opinion you and I share). And this is really all the EBO, if enacted would represent -an established standing law. Preferences such as those extended through our City's Diversity Outreach Program are also established standing law, but law that is encouraging, rather than mandating, in nature. Thus both types of 'established standing laws' are possible and not, to any degree, mutually exclusive. My position is that where more than one type of lawful behavior exists (i.e. extending benefits parity to RDP's and not extending benefits parity to RDP's) and where a given society favors one lawful behavior over the other, the laws it enacts on the matter (if any) should be encouraging, through preferences, rather than compulsory, through mandate. Thus a better way to have expressed my earlier comment might have been: 'Where a business is operating lawfully, should not government be seen to encourage (through preference-oriented legislation), rather than to compel (through mandate-oriented legislation), certain operational practices in the private sector? The plain truth, as I have written elsewhere, is that there is a very simple free-market solution to this challenge: Businesses which offer benefits parity to their RDP employees should simply assure that they are always the "lowest responsible bidder" for a City contract. Were that to happen, the City would achieve benefits parity among all of its contractors, the businesses that offer benefits parity would always get the City contracts upon which they bid and the taxpayers would always hire contractors at the lowest responsible price. Win-win-win, and no discrimination occurs on the part of our contractors *OR* on the part of the City. If we, in Long Beach, wish to circumvent, rather than change, our State Constitution and federal DOMA laws, then let's do it in a way that doesn't involve discrimination on the part of *ANY* of the players involved!
red and black
greggory: you say that "that's a more difficult case than I'd like" but you don't say whether you'd defend that city's right to take that action. would you? as I've stated before I'm all for full recognition of same sex marriages and I believe that Propopostion 8 is completely unconstitutional. however, as long as it's law it's law, just as if an EBO passes it will be law. Prop 8 should be struck down now, and if Prop 8 is not struck down then the EBO should be struck down if it is passed. of course, if prop 8 is struck down there would be no need for an EBO. and I dont' need Herr Ludwig to counsel me. Discrimination just means you make a choice. the question is whether you make a choice that's legitmate or non-legitimate and,
I suppose, at the end of the day, that's subjective. it all boils down to what you think of this proposition: "it's ok for the city of Long Beach to refuse to do business with a comapnay based solely on the city's objection to one of that companies practices, even though the practice in question is legal". ultimately that's what the city council will have to decide and, if they approve of it, perhaps, someday, a Court.
red and black
some have brought up the issue of economics in relation to this issue. to me, that is not relevant. if something is just it's just. indeed, I'm assuming that the companies who do not provide benefits to RDPs don't have a policy that says "we don't give beneifts to partners in same sex couples". rather, I assume that they give beneifts to spouses who have marriage licenses. but it sounds like everyone writing here (Mr. Stupid excepted) is for the repeal of prop 8. and if Prop 8 is repealed then same sex married couples will have that marriage license which will mean that the comapnies will have to give the beneifits to partners in same sex marriages which, of course, will cost them more. and that's perfectly fine.
John Greet
Daniel: With respect, you may be misunderstanding me. I am by no means arguing that some members of our LGBT community are not discriminated against. In fact I believe that they are, and in many different ways. This fact is as wrong as it is tragic. I'm simply saying that the best response to that circumstance may not be to replace one incarnation of improper discrimination with another. Let's all assume for a moment (as you clearly are) that the EBO passes. Company X, which operates according to all local, State and federal laws, offers Long Beach what proves to be the lowest responsible bid for a contract, but is not awarded that contract because it does not offer benefits parity to it it's RDP employees. In that hypothetical, Long Beach has improperly discriminated against Company X. Long Beach has, to use your own words 'use(d) the power of -law -to exclude people (the owners, stockholders, officers and employees of Company X) from privilege -'. It may help you and others to feel better about Long Beach's hypothetical discrimination by saying that Company X's discrimination is 'inappropriate' while ours is not, but this doesn't change, to any degree, the discriminatory nature of Long Beach's actions. My only point is a very ancient and simple one: two wrongs don't make a right. If Company X is operating lawfully but not in a manner we would prefer, we should be 'encouraging' them to align themselves with our preferences through our existing Diversity Outreach Program, not 'requiring' them to through an EBO that, in my view, is no less discriminatory, no less inappropriate, it will just happen to be 'lawful'. Beyond that the free market solution I have identified could also solve this public policy challenge. Company's that offer benefits parity to their RDP employees should strive to assure that they are always the lowest responsible bidder for all City contracts. They then get the contracts, we get contractors that offer benefits parity to their RDP employees, the taxpayers get the best value for their money.
Charlie Stupid [reply]
Just want to thank Greggory, red & black and Danil for your response to me - I really appreciated your thoughts!
red and black
John Greet: can you explain what the Diversity Outreach Program is and how the preferences and encourangement would work? I'm not sure I understand that. and very well said in your last response to Daniel, I think that cuts to the heart of the matter. when you want to extend rights to one group you can't deny them to another.
red and black
John Greet: I do think the mandates would be wrong. would you say it's wrong to deny same sex couples the right to marry? I would, and I bet the vast majority in the gay community would too. is it wrong to deny law abiding companies the right to bid on city contracts? I would. or at least I'd say both of these things are wrong within the context of our present system of government with its (in principle) deep committment to equal protection before the law. if it's not right to deny someone their rights, is it not wrong? to say it's merely less preferable does not, I think, do justice to the underlying principle.
Greggory
red and black: To say "discriminate just means..." is not to understand how words work at all. As that man you love to hate says, "Language is use." I pointed out considering "non-discriminatory"; you obviously didn't, because you'd have a tough time finding it used to mean "not prone to making a choice" or anything like that. Anyway, I've nothing more to say on the word. If you want to believe it means just one thing, you're entitled to that fantasy. Regarding "difficult case," would I DEFEND a city's right to hire only companies who don't offer identical benefits for same-sex couples? No, because I would find such a policy reprehensible. That doesn't necessarily mean a municipality doesn't have the legal right to enact such a policy; I'm not educated enough on civil-rights law to make that judgment. SHOULDN'T have the right? I just don't know. Could/should a city be able to legally enact a policy not to contract any company owned by Jews? I just don't know; I just know that I wouldn't spend any energy defending such a city, wouldn't want to live there, would support boycotts of the city and companies that do business with it, would take part in rallies against the city, etc.

John: I would just like to point out to you what I've been saying to red and black re "discriminate": you're using it as if there's some one-to-one correspondence bet. a word and its meaning(s). Yes, with the EBO, Long Beach will be choosing not to do business with discriminatory-against-same-sex-couples contractors -- just as the Long Beach of the future that I conjure near the end of my piece might choose not to do business with a contractor who supports the Nazi Party. Do you really not see the difference between someone's saying "I refuse to have any gay friends" and "I refuse to have any Nazi friends"? Because I see that as a very, very easy distinction to make. They're both choices, sure -- and so, involve a discriminating faculty -- but one is clearly discriminatory, and one is not. You really don't see the difference?
John Greet
red & black: Please review my column on this topic entitled 'Has the EBO's Time Come?'. There's a link in the column to the City's Diversity Outreach Program. I can't simply re-link it here because the comments section won't support hyperlinks, sorry!
John Greet
Greggory: I see a great many differences in a great many words and phrases and their various well-established and widely-accepted definitions. As to discrimination of the improper sort, I certainly consider some incarnations of such to be worse than others. As individuals you and I and Daniel and red-and-black enjoy that luxury and we can certainly agree to disagree. But as a government I don't believe the City should enjoy such a luxury as a matter of course. The City, indeed, any legal jurisdiction, should be seen to be blind to such distinctions unless it can be proved, unequivocally, that the people in that jurisdiction, as represented by a majority of the electorate, agree, *as a society*, to draw such distinctions. Perhaps this will prove the case in Long Beach and perhaps not. But I must iterate that, as a general rule, if, as a government, we are going to say (and we have) that improper discrimination is wrong, then we must say that *all* improper discrimination is wrong, and not simply those incarnations of improper discrimination that we happen to dislike. This approach on the part of a consensually formed government is requisite lest such a government risk the loss of the impartiality necessary to remain truly just and representative. Daniel defines improperly discriminating as, in part, to: '..use the power of..law..to exclude people from privilege..'. EBO's do *precisely* that. We, as a society, may very well decide that doing so is acceptable in this case, but if we do we should then not pretend that we are not improperly discriminating. We're only cloaking ourselves in the sanctity of duly-enacted legislation, so we might feel better about doing so.
Greggory
John: There is choosing not to associate with people or companies based simply on facets of their being (hair color, ethnicity, sexual preference), and then there is choosing not to associate with people or companies based upon their behavior (violence, support for the Nazi Party, prejudicial refusal to give their employees equal benefits). The EBO proposes doing the latter, and only the latter. Do you really think a city need be blind to this latter type of distinction? And if so, I guess that means to my piece's hypothetical you say, "So the contractor tithes to the Nazi Party -- the city still should go with them, since their the lowest bidder"?
John Greet
Greggory: Individuals do not manage taxpayer-owned benefits or privileges (such as City contracts, for example). Thus when individuals choose to not associate with people or companies, they are depriving them only of their own personal presence and the treasure that they, personally own. This is proper because individuals own their own bodies and treasure (or so the Constitution assures us). Because government doesn't own the treasure it manages for the taxpayers it, as a representative legislative body, should not be involved in improperly discriminating against one lawful business practice over another. Not unless it can be proved to a reasonable degree of certainty that such a practice is truly the will of the majority of the electorate within its jurisdiction, rather than simply of this or that elected public official. I'm comfortable with the City offering preferences and incentives in this case, for these have the effect of *encouraging* rather than *mandating*, one lawful business practice over another. We currently engage in such legislative encouragement on behalf of Long Beach-, Woman- and Minority Business Enterprises, just to name a few. Why not simply add those that offer RDP benefits parity to the list? An EBO, on the other hand, *mandates* (through exclusion) one lawful business practice over another and uses the power of law to do so. This I am decidedly *UN*comfortable with, because a government that mandates, through law, one existing lawful business practice over another (again, absent clear electoral mandate) is ultimately legislating according to the preference of the elected officials of the day. Suppose in 10 years Long Beach has a Council that has a preference only for Disabled Veteran Business Enterprises (DVBE's) and passes a new ordinance striking down this EBO and mandating that only DVBE's will be able to bid for contracts. In that hypothetical, other types of Business Enterprises are just as lawful, but rather than simply encouraging DVBE's, Long Beach decides to *mandate* that only DVBE's be allowed to bid. Do you perceive the danger?
red and black
greggory: you say that you don't know enough about civil-rights law to decide for sure about the hypothetical, yet armed with this lack of knowledge you weigh in definitively on the EBO (though the cases hinge on identical issues). Now I'm no Oliver Wendell Holmes either but I know enough to know that we don't govern by sentiment but by law. And, yes, I most certainly would hire the Nazis if on the merits they gave the most attractive bid and I had no viable reason to believe that their Nazidom would or could effect their performance. What else could you do? On what basis deny them? The fact that you're repelled by them? If I didn't hire anyone I was repelled by there'd be no end to it. ANd I'd do so also because I don't want some Yahoo in backwoods Alabama denying the bid of a company that chooses to give money to Planned Parenthood. And I'm sure that this person believes that aborting a fetus in the first trimester is an abomination and believes it as fervently and as sincerely as you believe that not giving beneifts to same sex partners is egregious. And who knows who's right? Maybe he is; maybe you're not. Maybe vice versa. Sez who? But the way to govern is not to worry or even wonder about who is right and who is wrong (in the absrtact/abolsoute sense) but merely see who is able to succeed in enshrining their beilef into law (will of the people). And, like it or not (love that phrase!), you have been thus far unable to enact your belief into law and so, in the eyes of the law, if not in that of reasonable people, your belief remains a whim; even as the belief of the Alabama man about the sancity of the embryo remains but an opinion. So why not just go by the law and not legislate by the grace of your offended sensibilities? You know: whether we like it or not.
red and black
"the exalted rights of man are so much hocus pocus. the rights of man are merely the rights that mankind has managed to give itself and hold on to, and are nothing more than what a particular group of people at a particular place and time are willing to fight for and to win"-----OWH

red and black
John Greet: "This I am decidedly *UN*comfortable with, because a government that mandates, through law, one existing lawful business practice over another (again, absent clear electoral mandate)". but isn't there a contradiction here? isn't the fact that both existing companies are lawful the only electoral mandate that matters? if you could show me that 100 percent of the people of Long Beach didn't like the cut of someone's jib could you exclude that person from consideration even though the jib was completly legal?
Greggory
red and black: You've got to keep your eye on the ball and not swing at phantom pitches. I said I'm not qualified to weigh in one aspect of the law (and no doubt I find myself similarly unqualified in MANY areas); that doesn't mean I'm unqualified to weigh in on anything at all. If you think my piece is making a legal argument, your reading comprehension isn't what either of us would like it to be. Find a single legal argument or claim in my piece and I will give you a grand prize. But take a look -- I'm afraid it's all parting gifts for you. But you do got jokes: "If I didn't hire anyone I was repelled by there'd be no end to it." Funny, and perhaps wise in a way you don't intend, as I think we would do well in society to be conscientious consumers and not simply always to spend where we get the most bang for our buck, with no thought to who benefits from the banging. By your logic not only would you hire my Nazi-supporters but also contractors using child and slave labor, save ONLY if we've got specific laws prohibiting it. Your conscience may be okay with that; mine certainly would not be. And if I happen to live among other people who feel like I do and we get together and get some policies in place that jibe with such consciences, well, it's among those people I want to live, anyway, so voilà . And I say unto thee: Come on in. The water's fine.

John: I notice that, unlike red and black, you don't want to touch my Nazi-supporting example. I don't blame you -- but you're saying exactly what he's saying: Yes, in that hypothetical, it would be "improper" not to hire the Nazi-supporters. Do I see the danger in the City saying, without electoral mandate, "No, we won't hire the Nazi-supporters"? I really don't, because we're not talking about lite preferences here, we're talking about not supporting bigotry. You're liking the letter of the law here -- so why are you so worried about what lawful city-council action? because it likely may BE lawful, and if it's NOT, well, that's what courts are for. But part of the whole reason city councils exist is to do some policy work that DOESN'T get put to a vote. As far as representing the public's interests, all I can tell you is that the EBO is exactly the kind of thing I was hoping I'd see from Garcia; and as a constiuent of the 2nd District, I'm ecstatic with Lowenthal's co-sponsorship.
Greggory
BTW, red and black, don't take me too seriously about that "reading comprehension" thing; I'm just playing.
John Greet
red & black: I do not perceive the contradiction you allege. Law is derived from many sources, not all of them subject to electoral mandate. The electorate can mandate the appointment of some among them to elected legislative office and still not agree with every decision they make or every law they enact in all cases. Law also sometimes takes the form of court decisions (case law) often handed down by Supreme Court Justices who were never elected and who serve for life. I hope that you will agree that among a given population it is rare indeed to find 100% consensus on anything and I do not advocate that we attempt to achieve such here. I simply ask, as others here have, that we honor the time tested process of advise and consent, that we accomplish due diligence in attempting to gauge the true sentiment of a majority of the community on this issue. A clear majority of the most outspoken among us is strongly in favor of an EBO, this seems clear. But there are many others in our community who may feel otherwise and who may decide to weigh in, in one-way or another, between now and the completion of the public review process that Mr. Garcia eventually, if reluctantly, agreed to. Since government exists at the consent of the governed, constraining legislation (such as an EBO) must likewise be reflective of the values of a society that consents to be thus restrained. For this reason consensus is essential in a well-ordered and civil society. Will we always know how 100% of the people feel in every case, of course not, but I think we must make reasonable efforts to at least ask the question of as many as possible, especially when the answer seems as illusive as this one does. As to your offering of Dr. Holmes; I counter with Thomas Jefferson: 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights -'. Dr. Holmes is also credited with 'The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins'. In this case, the other man's 'nose' is his right to operate his business in accordance with existing federal and State law and to not be penalized by local government (through mandated exclusion) for doing so. An EBO is the City 'swinging its fist'. Preferences, on the other hand, like those included in our Diversity Outreach Program, employ encouragement, rather than mandate.
John Greet
Greggory: Like some others, in your comments you seem to fail to draw a distinction between an individual's right to choose..to allocate his funds where and when he cares to..and a municipality's necessarily more limited ability to do so. Our municipal government, like all other jurisdictions, exists solely as a legal representation of the qualified voters within it. It is, in fact, a legal corporation, that each member of its electorate owns a share of. Neither the municipal corporation, nor its elected officials, owns the funds or other assets that it allocates. Those funds are held in trust only, and belong entirely to the people represented. Of course we empower our elected and appointed officials with certain authority to craft policy and to dispose of these funds (on our behalf), but of that authority they are simple trustees also and must endeavor at all times to exercise that authority, to allocate those funds and to act in a manner that is as representative of the *entire* community as they can reasonably manage. Please do not mistake my various debate points, I am not necessarily opposed to an EBO, I'm simply not yet convinced that an EBO is our best solution to the public policy challenge that some intend for it to address. This is my only caution..that our elected officials not presume to know, of a certainty, how the majority of the community they were elected to represent feels on this issue until that community has had sufficient opportunity to let them know. That's all I ask: that the public have sufficient opportunity to speak on the issue (and it now seems that they will) and that our elected officials listen carefully and then proceed accordingly. I'll reserve any further discussion on the matter for the L.B. Junior Chamber's upcoming Beer & Politics event on July 28th, on the roof at Smooth's. Hope to see you there!
Greggory
I appreciate the distinction; I merely feel that sometimes our officials can take a bit more of a leadership role than merely acting in response to a clear majority on an issue -- which is not always easy to have, and not always easy to discern. Anyway, I'd surely be at the Beer & Politics meeting, but alas for some reason Beer & Politics didn't consult with me when they scheduled their meeting day, and it so happens I always work the 4th Tuesday evenings of the month. But try to have a good time without me, hard as it may be.

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