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City Council to Consider Banning Medpot Dispensaries -- Which Is What It Wanted All Along?

11:20am | In March 2010, with the city council on the cusp of passing a draconic medpot ordinance, then-7th District Councilmember Tonia Reyes Uranga said what was evident to many observers: "Let's be very clear: the purpose of this ordinance is to put [collectives] out of business."

On Tuesday the City Council is likely to take a step toward helping Reyes put "Prophet" on her resume, as they entertain adding Chapter 5.89 to the Long Beach Municipal Code, which would "repeal the City's existing medical marijuana regulations (Chapter 5.87) and would at the same time enact a ban on medical marijuana collectives and dispensaries citywide."

In his letter to the council recommending the passage of 5.89, City Attorney Robert Shannon wrote, "The recent Court of Appeal decision in the case of Pack v. City of Long Beach has essentially eliminated the City's ability to effectively regulate dispensaries and collectives."

Because the authors of the Pack decision go out of their way to point out that their ruling does not necessarily render all portions of Long Beach's ordinance illegal, it is the interpretation of the adjective "effectively" that may keep Shannon's above-referenced sentence from being untrue -- and that speaks to what Uranga saw from an inside-perspective nearly two years ago.

It may be conjectured that as a whole, despite the sincerity of a few individuals, the City of Long Beach never wanted to allow collectives, but did so (ironically, as it turns out) in an attempt to obviate potential lawsuits that might have resulted from an outright ban on collectives. Consider the following:

Fall 2008: Assistant City Attorney Mike Mais tells The District Weekly that the City is taking a "wait and see" attitude as regards taking a medpot position: waiting and seeing how various SoCal medpot lawsuits played out.

August 2009: The initial draft of the City's medpot ordinance includes the medically unethical provision that collectives "provide [to the City] a list of … the qualified patients that belong to the collective."

November 2009: On her blog, Councilmember Gerrie Schipske proposes zoning and other restrictions that would have effectively made it impossible for collectives to operate in Long Beach. When asked about this possibility, Schipske told The District Weekly, "With the proliferation of dispensaries in L.A. County, [patients] can get it elsewhere."

February 2010: Shannon disregards a 5-4 council vote, passing a version of the ordinance because he does not believe it to be properly restrictive, in that it did not include a provision mandating that all medpot be cultivated within city limits (a provision that the court in the Pack case would later find to be illegal).

June 2010: "Honestly, I don't want any collectives," Schipske writes to a constituent. "I get too many complaints and as long as the drug is illegal, I can't support the City allowing them." (Those 26 words are the entire content of the e-mail in question; she would later say she was referring only to collectives in her 5th District.)

September 20, 2010: The City holds a lottery with a non-refundable $14,732 entrance fee for any collectives wanting to operate within city limits. (The high cost was said to defray city expenses related to instituting the ordinance, but the City never offered an explanation of why Long Beach would have far higher costs than any city in the country instituting the same type of ordinance.)

November 9, 2010: Despite having been one of the "yes" votes that in March passed the ordinance, Councilmember Patrick O'Donnell admits, "I don't want it in my backyard. I don't want it in my front yard. […] I just don't want it [anywhere]."

November 2010: Schipske conducts a survey of support for two further restrictions within the ordinance, as well as asking whether residents favored an outright ban. (Participants disfavored both proposed changes and a ban by margins ranging from 12% to 35%.)

January 2011: Despite the ordinance not yet being fully implemented, the council places further restricts the ordinance.

Spring/Summer 2011: The City cites numerous collectives for operating without a permit, despite the fact that the City never got around to issuing any permits.

Because (as is pointed out in the Pack decision) Long Beach's ordinance provides that “If any provision of this Chapter, or the application thereof to any person or circumstance, is held invalid, that invalidity shall not affect any other provision or application of this Chapter that can be given effect without the invalid provision or application; and to this end, the provisions or applications of this Chapter are severable" (5.87.130), the City is free to reconstitute its ordinance by striking out the provisions Pack found to be illegal. And that is exactly what Long Beach Collective Association -- a collective of medpot collectives and their attorneys, et cetera -- is asking the City to do, as outlined in a December 6 letter to Mayor Foster, the councilmembers, and the city attorney.

But dollars to donuts says the City won't bite, because it never really wanted medpot collectives here anyways.



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Idea
Shannon should be immediately fired for his inability to understand the conflict this ordiance had with federal law and has personally cost the City thousands of dollars. The City needs to completely ban pot shops until such time the federal government legalizes pot.
Disgusted
This is a great example of what is wrong with our city government. They'll look the other way at all the liabilities that alcohol brings to the table, and they ignore the evidence that indicates cannabis is inherently safer to society overall. Plus, they ignore the fact that the majority of the dispensaries do not impact the neighborhoods they are in, in a negative way. Can they say the same for the bars on 2nd st? With all the more important issues this city has, do they really think their time is being well spent on this issue? Especially when over 50% of the city voted for the legalization of cannabis last November. Exactly what IS our city council's agenda? It doesn't seem to have best interests of its citizens at heart. Are they in someone's back pocket?
RW Crum
@Idea- Shannon is elected. He can't be fired. An expensive recall process would have to be undertaken.

Curious- using legal analysis, can you explain how Shannon blundered?
Richard
This article highlights the hypocrisy of the city and its councilmen. Pot clinics were Ok as long as the City was making money. Now that the courts won't let them make money they want a ban. The worst is O'Donnell and Schipske who are supposed to be Democrats but indulge in this grandstanding for the votes in their district. marijuana is a mild and pleasant herb that people enjoy. Stop locking people up.
Alen
"Until the Federal Government legalizes pot"? When is that supposed to be? The Federal Government's intrusion on the rights of states notwithstanding, the people of this community demonstrably consume cannabis and will not easily abide an outright ban of dispensaries. You know that the alternative to high quality medical cannabis is drug trafficking and crime/murder right? What do you think is the right thing to do, or are you content to wait upon the will of the Federal Government?
angelton
Anyone that's surprised by the city's decision has obviously been hitting the bong a little too much. This was the inevitable conclusion to an attempt at bullying the city into making LB an unregulated weed haven.
Pam
The city council is full of cowards who don't care about the sick people in this community. I guess us people with cancer and other horrible illnesses will just have to suffer and/or buy pot from dealers. No heart, no courage, no nothing...that's what I think of the city council. Go get another drink you rotten cowards.
Luis
I live in Belmont Shore and did not even know there was a dispensary there until a few weeks ago. I do know about the bars and restaurants and the noise and litter in our neighborbood the parties leave behind as well as their vomit and urine in our alleys.
Jon, onehumanbeing
Here is a link to the Long Beach Collective Association which Greggory mentioned in the article:

http://www.lb-ca.com/home/
not a lawyer
From all those people who are attacking the Council, I'd like to know what you suggest. The Court ruled the City's ordinance illegal. The City Atty advises the Councilmembers they risk jail if they codify a breach of Federal Law. The Council understandably feels they must act to comply with the Court's ruling. So what's your suggestion?
Why Long Beach
This is just going to bring on more law suits, cost LB money (we can't afford) and make a few lawyers richer. Let some other city (LA city? be the 1st to repeal a pot ordance they previously inacted. Why should LB fight the legal battle that are sure to result for being the first to repeal?
Jim
Apparently the federal government is ignoring (for now) medical marijuana facilities where there are state-wide regulations, as opposed to the confused and abusive legal tangle of local ordinances here in California, where the legislature avoided their responsibility to humanely legislate the will of the people.
Sander
I am curious to know if bans enacted by other Cities have been challenged in the courts and, if so, what were the outcomes of those cases.
Idiots
This confirms that our city council is full of hypocrites and morons. If they close the shops, people will go to Artesia and San Pedro or whatever else is close.

I think for future elections this should be one of the questions candidates are asked about. It will take a few years, but eventually we can get a pot-friendly council and mayor voted in.

I wonder how Schipske feels about gay marriage. Let's hold that law hostage on her behalf. Actually I'm pro gay marriage but I'm definitely becoming anti-Schipske.
SnuggleBear1970
@Richard "...marijuana is a mild and pleasant herb that people enjoy. Stop locking people up."

Really Richard? Is that what you truly believe?

I believe that medicine should be used for just that. Medicine!

People who use marijuana for other than it's intended purpose is OUT OF CONTROL. I am sick of this F@#KN CRAP. When did we all forget how to be happy. I DON'T NEED WEED TO BE HAPPY. I KNOW HOW TO BE HAPPY ALL ON MY OWN. It's just F#$KING RIDICULOUS. We all know "What Time It Is". We all know why all those people go to the dispensary. Let's all be HONEST and GET REAL with it! For Pete's sake!! It's about time we all grew up and stop whining about our marijuana FIX.
rwt
Business as usual. I don't know why anyone would go through the pain of selling & buying pot legally when the prohibition is flawed anyway. It's just a plant for god's sake:)
Diana Lejins
Basically this is a political issue for most Council members. The majority of them are only in their positions because they are aspiring to higher office--it's just a stepping stone. In their minds, they think that they will be seen as "soft on crime" if they show any sympathies toward medical marijuana.
In other words, the sick and disabled can suffer as long as they think they might win their elections.
It's a pretty sad state of affairs!
Larry
I hope the council has the guts to really vote to ban the collectives. Why in the world would anyone vote to go against existing Federal Law? Once again, a chance to stand up for what is right. Just Do It!
To Snuggle
SnuggleBear, you don't sound all that happy. You sound angry and not even a little bit snuggly.

Why do you care if people smoke pot to get happy? Do you have a similar tirade for those who drink wine or eat chocolate to get happy? What's the difference. Alcohol, caffeine, chocolate, potatoes, pot - all of them have chemicals that work with receptors in the brain to cause some reaction - with pot, you get feelings of contentment and euphoria. Why does this fact cause you so much anger?
Bubba
You all need to understand, nothing moves forward without being pushed. Who want pot gone? The answer...the alcohol lobby, one drinks less while smoking. That is why you will not see anything done about the rampant over drinking in this city. If the city counsel wanted to enforce laws, where are the sobriety checkpoints? Just remember public officials are popularity contests winners, there is no real substance.
D_OOTW
I think we need younger and fresher minds to sit on our city council. Medical MJ is such a great help for so many cancer patients as well as people who suffer from Glaucoma, OCD, & a number of other diseases that today's prescription medicines just don't quite remedy.

Let one of these people get sick, really sick and watch how quickly they change their attitude, to where they're willing to try anything to just "feel" a little better or normal. I've seen it happen, so believe me I know.
Federal law
To Larry - why would anyone want to break a federal law? Let's think - oh right, women's right to vote - there was once a federal law that didn't include women, equal rights for women, oh that's right, that wasn't always protected. Oh let me think, prohibition, that's right, alcohol was once prohibited by federal law. Are you sorry that people didn't "stand up for what's right" and beat back those changes in federal law?

I'd be willing to bet almost everyone breaks a federal law at least once a week whether knowingly or unknowingly.

Get over yourself. Have some compassion and maybe an open mind.

Doot, totally with you - need some youth and new ideas in the city's leadership.

And Bubba's also right. Write to the liquor companies, tell them to stop lobbying against marijuana. If they could be a little bit visionary, they might see the potential instead of the threat. Kush Vodka anyone?
still not a lawyer
The alcohol lobby? Seriously? You think Budweiser comes to long beach city hall and says "ban pot"? Holy moly, you people are SO CLUELESS

THERE WAS A COURT DECISION! The current ordinance is ILLEGAL. I havent heard ONE PERSON suggest what the Council should do. Jsut thumb its nose at the Feds?

Comparisons to women's suffrage and prohibition are dumb. It was NEVER illegal to allow women to vote; States could decide for themselves. No government body broke the law by extending women's suffrage.

Furthermore, no government body every tried to legalize and regulate alcohol sales during prohibition. Speakeasies were illegal and secret; no one took part in civil disobedience by drinking publicly.

There is no precedent for what you are asking the Council to do: Flout a court decision and openly participate in a Federal crime.

This issue has nothing to do with compassion, medicine, freedom, or any of that - not as far as this Council goes. These officials SWORE to uphold the law. Period.

If you want to legalize cannabis - which we certainly should do - lobby your CONGRESSPERSON.

Finally, as far as alcohol goes, beleive me, if herb is legalized, the beer companies will be the second in line to start growing and selling (tobacco will be first.) They could care less if it's legal or illegal.

John B. Greet
So long as the CSA exists in its current form, we, in Long Beach, should never have allowed one single medpot collective to open or operate here.

Like it or not, marijuana use remains illegal as a matter of federal law. As with other federal laws in our past that ultimately proved immoral, unethical, or simply no longer representative of the true will of a majority of the electorate, the proper response is to amend or abolish the CSA, not to ignore it while it remains on the books or to enact state or local laws in clear attempts to circumvent it.

I support the abolition of the federal CSA altogether on the basis that it is comepletely outside the purview of the few specific and limited powers enumerated in the constitution that we grant to the federal government.

Whether a substance is controlled or not, and to what degree, should be a matter for the people in each of the states to decide for themselves. If CA wants to legalize weed, while NV chooses to not do so, this is precisely the way it should be. Then people can reside in whichever state they choose based upon the laws in this area that most reflect their personal preferences.

If a state chooses to not address the issue, then it should be a matter for the people in a given *local* jurisdiction to decide.

Because this more constitutionally-compliant approach is not likely to ever come about, we are left with the CSA **AS WRITTEN** until such time as we agree by democratic means to amend it.

Given that fact, neither CA nor LB has *any business* presuming to enact legislation that decriminalizes a substance that federal law has outlawed.

The Council can and should repeal its ill-advised medpot ordinance, just as it once repealed its equally ill-advised big box ban and just as it should also repeal its entirely nonsensical plastic bag ban.

Legitimate medpot patients in Long Beach can still acquire their medicine in neighboring jurisdictions that still permit collectives to operate.
Med Pot
Totally agree with Ha. Banning the med-pot shops will undoubtedly get rid of all illegal drugs in Long Beach, particularly marijuana. All smokers will see the error of their ways and head straight for the beer aisle of their local grocers. Can't wait for the day - or NOT.

I say let's leave the med-pot places alone and keep the plastic bag ban. Those are the two best things Long Beach has going for it. A little bit eco-friendly and a little bit pot-friendly. If the pot stores go and the plastic bags come back, the city loses at least 50% of its charm, IMHO.
John B. Greet
@ HA, Your premise is fatally flawed. No one I know of has suggested that repealing our medpot law would end other illegal drug dealing. All it would do is bring Long Beach back into full compliance with federal law in this area.
HA
I'm sure that if we get rid of the collectives, Long Beach will finally be rid of any and all drugs. In no way will this encourage drug traffic on the streets. We'll finally have zero drug dealers!
lbroadking
Really??? Are you guys trying to protect us from ourselves? I have heard some complaints that it's affected surrounding businesses because of their customers hanging around on their locations. I think the med-pot people could do a better job policing themselves regarding this matter. Maybe there should be some restrictions for their locations. Why is our city council making moral judgements for us?
Matt
I personally know two people in Long Beach who have pancreatic cancer. Medical marijuana in Long Beach regulates their pain, induces appetite, and assists them in going to sleep without addictive pharmaceuticals.

Long Beach, California, and every other medical marijuana state is already not in compliance with federal law. Let the federal government make its move to close down the thousands of dispensaries across the country. Our fear of federal government's intrusion should not allow the city council to stop its citizens from buying a plant.

Actions that the City can take tonight is to listen to the collectives association's plan that will ensure collectives can stay in business and be in compliance with the Pack decision.

maybe should be a lawyer
I love how no matter how times I post it, nobody seems to notice or care about the real issue.

COURT DECISION. MUST COMPLY.

Suggestions?

16 States + DC
Sixteen states plus D.C. allow medical marijuana in some form. That's close to one-third. When the constitutional amendment giving all women the right to vote was ratified, about half the states had already granted women suffrage. Clearly the country is nearing a tipping point. I hope we don't have to wait for another nine states to get on board before the government acknowledges the war on drugs, and in particular marijuana, has long been lost.
TowDude
It seems that the ailments of cancer, arthitis, glacoma, etc. have started hitting people at younger ages than ever. Maybe the medical field should concentrate on finding out why so many 20 something young adults are getting these diseases so early that they have to use marijuana to stave off the affects of the illness.

The majority of the people I see shopping at the local "illegal" dispensary (illegal because they never obtained a permit in the first place, and have been flaunting in the City's face for over a year) are young adults that look, act and talk like they have nothing wrong with them other than they want to get high. I get tired of running them off from my private parking, of the graffiti, of the trash, and of the piss poor attitude they give when they are asked not to trash the property, and park where they park.

Crime?? My next door neighbor dispensary, just got robbed. There IS crime that comes with these dispensaries. Others suggest that they will have to go back to getting marijuana from the street dealer. Well, at least they were discreet and did not affect the law abiding "nice" neighborhoods, like they do now.

I support Robert Shannon and the disbanding of all dispensaries.
OBSERVATION
This is just one more symptom pointing to why we need to replace completely the current elected individuals serving on the Long Beach City Council and elect new people to run our broken city.
OldTimer
The only question of pot and Long Beach is who will dispense it and at what cost. The collectives have in many cases off-set illegal sales by rival gangs, and the risk of being ripped off, mugged or even shot for a couple of grams of pot.Of course, that could be a cultural cheap shot. But pot is not the issue. We have to continually remind ourselves that the issues are politics and money.
Kity
@lbroadking - Maybe someone SHOULD be protecting the pro-Med MJ crowd from itself. You've all been shot in the proverbial foot by your own handgun.

Here are the facts in the nutshell. This city attempted to take a liberal stance and put in place a method to monitor "collectives" as a business. Permits, hours of operation, etc.

Then, when someone didn't get into the lottery, they decided their own investment was more important than all medical marijuana patients in our local area and SUED THE CITY TO HAVE THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE RESCINDED - ironically, based on an argument that the ordinance was federally pre-empted.
Then- they got an appellate court to agree with them - and now they are angry with that result.

The effect, whether it was intended or not, was to put at issue ALL medical marijuana enterprises within city limits (and other cities are watching).

Medpot advocates - you got exactly what you asked for. Next time ~ you might want to be a little more careful with that. . .
Does anyone know?
what happened at the council meeting last night? Did any decisions get made? Let's hope the council has compassion and is willing to support the voters of the state who approved the medical marijuana initiative.
not a doctor
TWODUDE: Another person who presumes to be able to diagnose illness but not only isnt a doctor, he hasnt even talked to the patients!

TWODUDE: Even doctors have to do an exam before diagnosing illness. You think you can do it from across the street?

Tell me, what does a chemo patient look like? My brother just went thru cancer and rode his bike every day except the day after treatment. You would never have know to look at him. He was 28.

How about insomnia, what does that look like? Anxiety? Chronic pain? ETC ETC

If you think you can tell who's sick by looking at them, you are a bit uninformed.

Furthermore, physicians give recommendations, and the City has no purview over that process. If people have doctor's rec, they can get medpot, end of story.

Finally, do you think no one abused prescription drugs? Do liquor stores and bars attract crime? But you aren't calling for a ban on pharmacies, bars, or liquor stores, are you? Gee, why not?

me
my friend wasn't killed by a pot smoker...he was killed by a drunk driver, my child didn't become a herion addict because he started smoking pot.....remember, alcohol is the gateway.....my daughter didn't have unprotected sex or get date raped because someone slipped something in her joint,,,,oh yeah, it was the alcohol. you don't see or hear about,...."potsmoker" takes the lives of a family coming home for the holidays on 91 fwy. POT BELIEVED TO BE INVOLVED. ooppps!!!!!IT'S THE F$&*@ING ALCOHOL!!!!!!! cops don't pull you over and give you a THC sobriety test......the test is for ALCOHOL!!!!!!!!!!! I have never heard of anyone ending up in the hospital because they consumed too much THC but i have definately been the one to call an ambulance because i saw a kid so damn drunk he shit and pissed all over himself...come on people leave the pot alone and go after the real problems that face our communuty. lte's start with poverty and the one's who have no place to call home, possiably murders,i know....sex offenders,child molester that's a start.
James S. Chandler
It was written in all local newspapers, the city of long beach city council asking the city attorney to write up the local ordinance regarding the dispensaries. As I recently read from the local newspaper the city attorney Shannon describing that he had nothing to do with the situation. Now he has begun to distance himself from the situation as the higher courts within the state of california have commented on prosecuting local officials on legalizing something that they know is in violation of u.s. federal law even though the citizens of the state of california has voted in favor of it only for medical purposes only. The city and state wanted to use the money from these dispensaries as a source of revenue but they were told it canmnot be done. The only way marijunana can be legalized hss to be done through the federal government, the house and senate, and the approval of food and drug administration, and I believe this will eventually head to the u.s. supremem court. U.S. Federal Laws always overrules state, county, and city ordinances amd municipal codes. As I close may I ask you ladies and gentleman where are your brains. It is above your neck and shoulder or is it within your rectums.

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